Ok, I'm going to go full homer here so bear with me. The packers are a better team than their record. They have the best point differential in the NFC, and every game they've lost has been by 4 points or less. In their wins they have been destroying a lot of teams, and this is despite all the injury problems. You remember we beat the eagles too right (our point differential is approaching +100 better than them)? Of course they could win that WC game, but I like the packers. We don't have a shut down defense like the steelers? Give me a break. You can give a slight edge to the steelers if you want, but the packers are second in the league in points allowed (the most important defensive stat) and produce a fuck ton of turnovers. They have the best defense in the NFC and are easily top 5 in the league. On top of that the offense is 8th in scoring, so well above average. Our running game isn't nearly as bad as people claim. The packers are 22nd in rushing, so a little below average, but not abysmal. And of course we're going to have slightly less yards than average when we throw all the time. The cardinals had a worse running game than us the year they made the super bowl. And how can you accuse the packers of lacking balance? The eagles are only a good team on one side of the ball. How can you say you think the bucs could beat the packers? Ok, maybe, but are you implying they're a better team? They haven't even defeated anyone with a winning record, and in most of their losses they got blown out. The packers running game is plenty good enough to keep defenses honest. In fact, I'm going to claim we're one of deepest most balanced teams in the league. Question: How come no one ever points out the saints lack of a rushing game when they get about ten yards less per game than the packers? In fact the bears rush for less yards per game than the packers too, but are they ever critisized in that area? Nope, never. And Brees isn't having a bad season, but he's throwing way too many picks. The pick 6 against Atlanta was horrible and he lead his offense to a net ten points. Their defense won that game. As for the pro bowl - Rodgers not getting in is a joke, but it doesn't bother me much. It's a meaningless stupid game. Williams and Woodson were both great this year, either could have got in. People tend to ignore all the run support Woodson provides as well as his forced fumbles. And he was still good in coverage too (albeit Williams was a bit better).
on Sunday Adam Schecter let it slip that the NFL was about to release their decision, then happened to move it to Tuesday RIGHT after the game got scheduled. This shit is such bullshit. White men that have played 297 games, broken every QB record, won a Superbowl and played for 20 years get all the preferential treatment. Now after Tuesdays game, they're going to make an official statement within 48 hours. Can't believe it.
This is the most bias post I think I have ever read. How are they better than their record? They obviously should have beaten Detroit but Washington and Miami outplayed them. Their other losses were to better teams, with the exception of the Detroit loss I would say the record is accurate for the team. The team has clearly been plagued by injuries, but I think the record is indicative of this present team. No you don't. Slight edge? Christ. I guess that was a different defense in the beginning of the year winning games by itself with Charlie Batch as QB. I didn't say the defense was bad but I don't think it can win games. The game they had this year that was really impressive was the shutout against the Jets but I think NYJ have been exposed. This just makes me think your stupid. If they were "average" wouldn't they be 16th or 17th in the league? Considering the 32 teams that make up the league? I would think being 22nd or towards the end of the pack would make them "below average." No shit, I have said this numerous times. I think that Philly vs. Green Bay would result in a shootout with the Eagles scoring more because they would be at home and at the moment have more playmakers. I think the Philly D would be able to exploit the Packers non existent running game, quote me as many stats as you want but Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn stink. This is fair, I don't think the Bucs are better but I would bet they could beat the Packers. The Bucs are a hot team right now with some big time playmakers. Kellen Winslow would cause problems for the linebackers and safety's and Blount has emerged as an excellent RB. Josh Freeman looks pretty composed and Mike Williams looks like a future star. Defensively their ok, but should be able to exploit Green Bays lack of rushing. No, they don't. Not playoff caliber teams they don't. Brandon Jackson averages 3.7 yards a carry has gone over 100 yards ONCE! In the entire season the Packers have had the leading rusher in a game three times. The numbers you keep throwing out are from inflated garbage yards at the end of blowouts, (Buffalo, Dallas, Minn.) The Saints win in spite of it, also Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas were injured all year. However I'm sure analysts did criticize NO for the lack of running, everybody was masturbating about the Eagles in the NFC, not much was said until NO beat the Falcons. (Whom Green Bay lost to) The Bears have Matt Forte who is hands down better than any Green Bay Back. The defenses will have to respect him despite him having a bad season, BJ garners no such respect except for possibly a receiver out of the backfield. I know you proclaimed it in the beginning but you wrote a horribly biased post. I'm not sure what you are smoking but Green Bay has no run game. Defensive coordinators are not trying to figure out how to stop Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn, everything is going to be concentrated on Rogers. Rogers could still hoist a team on his shoulder and win by himself but I just don't see it. They will most likely be on the road and the teams should have a well thought out game plan. Despite having blowout wins the losses to Miami and Washington exposed the chinks in the armor. I could write some ridiculous pro-Eagles rant throwing out all kins of ridiculous statistics. However if you look at it as a non-fan you can see they are just not a complete team. The offensive line and defense are not good enough. The fact that you keep claiming the Packer running game is good enough to keep a team honest is ridiculous. This does bother me. I guess stupid "Matty Ice" get's in because he has a new gay nickname. It's mainly because of his teams record I guess. sorry for comparing Hillis and Turner, that was fucking retarded.
Yeah yeah I do but dude, how far do you think they'll make it? I hope hope hopeitty hope it's further than the first round but realistically, given the teams they've lost to, heading into the playoffs against playoff caliber teams I just don't know. I love them but they have looked sloppy almost the entire season. That's my point.
Yeah, and the patriots got outplayed by the browns. We lost those games, but again, they were close. The packers have in no way been dominated by any team this season. Ok, then what the hell do you consider good? If their defense isn't so great then why do they force so many turnovers and give up so few points? If you are seriously going to believe the packers defense isn't particularly good then you have to say pretty much the same thing about every other defense in the league. Honestly, name me ONE defense other than the steelers who is better than the pack. You can't. Besides, our offense has shown many times that it can score. The defense doesn't have to do everything. Actually what looks stupid is an inability to read posts. I said they were below average. In the exact section you quoted...don't know where you're going with this. Debatable. I think I would take Jennings and Driver over Jackson and Maclin. However, they do have a clear advantage in the running game. I don't want to spend too much more time discussing a team that won't even be in the playoffs, but how are they a hot team right now? They lost 3 of their last 5 including dropping one to the lions. The bucs may have a bright future ahead of them, but for right now they aren't good enough to compete with the best teams. As has been shown every time they've played a winning team. The reason he rarely goes over 100 is because and the reason we never have a leading rusher is because we split carries. Rodgers rushes some, Kuhn does, Starks when he was healthy. We mix it up a lot. How convenient. They do, but the packers don't? Thomas now back in is getting 3.2 a pop (horrible) and Bush has never been a good runner in this league. The saints also lost to the falcons this year, and again I'll point out how close it was with the packers/falcons. We score more points on average than the saints too (not by much). This much is true. Forte has never been a great rusher, but he's solid and better than anyone the packers have. Every team in the playoffs this year has lost to someone inferior. I don't know why the packer's losses expose them, but other teams aren't exposed. That doesn't make much sense. And Kuhn is a pretty good fullback. The reason he has a low average is because he does all goal line and 3rd and 1 runs. He also scored 3 Tds last game. Not bad. How so? They get over 100 yards a game. That isn't good, but really not all that terrible. Of course they will be mainly throwing, but if they can maintain 100 yards per game they'll be just fine. Oh, and I wanted to throw something out there too. Blowout wins are apparently more indicative of a strong playoff teams rather than eeking out the close games. You might have seen the stats Kimaster linked a few pages back. I'm not saying I completely agree with the numbers, but it is something to consider. Also, as for Atlanta and NO having more wins, I want to point out that these teams got to play Carolina twice and the NFC west. That's 6 really easy games. I'm not saying their schedule was total cake, or that they haven't played great, but it's something to consider as well.
This just in: Tucker Carlson is an asshole I cannot believe the audacity of this douchebag. It's not like people hate Fox News enough already or anything. This will make the stuff Rush Limbaugh said about Donovan McNabb 10 years ago look like child's play. Apparently getting schooled by Jon Stewart on his own show didn't teach this man any humility. What a goofy, bowtie-wearing cunt:
And you're doing exactly what he wanted you to by posting and talking about it. You're increasing his exposure, which is how they measure their worth. Best thing to do is to just ignore him and the shit he spews.
Honestly, who cares? He's only saying this because of what Obama said. If Obama had said Vick should be executed this jackass would say, "As a Christian I can't think of a more inappropriate comment. People deserve a second chance." When I drive home from work there's nothing good on the radio so I listen to these people. They just go in the opposite direction of democrats. They don't really think about anything. Favre is fined 50k for not cooperating with the NFL investigation into the Sterger incident. That must have hit REAL hard. And not to start a political debate on the nfl thread of all places, but john Stewart is every bit as annoying and stupid as the people on fox news. He's also an arm chair tactician who needs to be punched in the face. I think once most of you are older you'll stop idolizing him and realize how much he sucks.
I read the story on NFL.com. Her lawyer sent the NFL a letter in which said that they were disappointed in the decision and that the NFL was sexist. REALLY? Well no fucking shit. Here's part of it: Uh yeah. Ya think?
You realize that he's saying the exact same things that 70% of this message board did (back in the RMMB days) when Vick was first convicted? People have an extremely short memory, and are very quick to tear down celebrities and build them back up again, but I seem to recall dozens and dozens of members here, including many who still post, saying that Vick should have been tortured to death for his actions. Look, I didn't think Vick deserved worse than what he got (a moderate jail sentence) for the dog-fighting, but at the same time, I'm not so quick to "forgive and forget" those actions now,or think he's a completely changed, different human being. What I find way more hypocritical and annoying is the same people that condemned Vick now rushing to his defense. Show some goddamn consistency, and don't alter your opinion just because someone had a great season on the field.
I was one of the people who said fuck him then and I still say fuck him now. My mother has a rescued pit-bull that was used in training and still has scars on her head from bites many years later. Do I think he should have been put to death, no. I think he got what he deserved. He is still going to have to do a lot more to make up for what he did in my eyes but I have no problem him playing in the NFL.
Fuck Tucker Carlson. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with anything he said. He has nothing to do with football and he's only saying this shit because he wants to be relevant again and get attention. I don't believe half the people on Fox or MSNBC believe/mean half the shit they say. Fuck, what is he going to do next? Come out and say Bill Clinton was wrong for getting a blow job? Isn't there a statute of limitations on this shit? Back to football, kinda. I think this whole Jenn Sterger thing is bullshit. If she wanted something to happen she shouldn't have hesitated, and should have ran to the NFL and dropped all the evidence she had. The whole "Oh em gee, the NFL is the good old boys club" is total bullshit when they were trying to get her to come in and talk for an entire month straight. The NFL also doesn't have clean hands either, because as I just posted, its interesting the timing of their decision, but come on...
Those are all fair points, and I do remember everyone condemning Vick (not just people on this board, obviously). While I wasn't above the occasional dogsitting joke and was somewhat bitter about Vick's role in the whole thing, I also took a step back and thought, "Maybe he was just raised to think this stuff is okay." Did anyone get their panties in that much of a twist when it was reported that Pedro Martinez attended a cockfight? Of course not. Because evidently, roosters aren't as cool as dogs, amirite?? I'm also a believer in redemption. As bad as he fucked up, he's come a long way since then, and by all accounts, he's worked every step of the way with the NFL, ASPCA, Humane Society, et al. I also don't think he's a "completely" changed human being, but he's putting forth the effort, which counts for a lot. A few weeks back on Sunday NFL Countdown, they took a break from Keyshawn flapping his gums to show a story on Michael Vick, speaking at schools and all that, talking about how he now knows how wrong it was. Seems obvious to most of us, but most of us aren't brought up in that sort of environment, either. Going back to the Martinez situation, for example, he said, "I understand that people are upset, but that is part of our Dominican culture and is legal in the Dominican Republic." It's all about perspective. And if you want consistency, we can talk about Donte Stallworth serving 24 days for killing a human being and being back on the field a year later. Granted, Stallworth cooperated just as much in his case (and is being lauded for it, in fact), but the disparity between the reactions from the public towards Vick and Stallworth is appalling.
I have to agree with Parker on the incident. If Sterger wanted Favre suspended she should have cooperated a long time ago. Besides, what exactly do they want the nfl to do now? Suspend him in a game he probably wasn't going to play anyway? He's retiring so the punishment would be pointless. It's a little late, I don't really see what they can do other than fine him. It's not like they can throw him in jail. Personally, I never said Vick should be shot/tortured/etc. I thought the punishment was fitting, and for people that actually believe someone should be killed for murdering an animal --- any animal, then they're worse than the guys who start dog fights. It kind of pissed me off that there was so much outcry over Vick's situation when other athletes have done far worse and gotten much less punishment. I'm not saying Vick should have gotten less time, but it's funny how people are less interested when it's people getting killed rather than dogs. Edit: R4B beat me too it, so yeah I'll just say I agree.
No, no, no. Stop this. The thread started with this. Tucker Carlson is an attention grabbing asshole. Let it fucking go. I wish I could mod this. We're not talking about how circles are round again. The only reason he brought this shit up is because he's no longer relevant. Let it go. Let it fucking go. Please. Anyone want to go back and comment on O.J. Simpson? What about Ray Lewis? Really, shit is old. Come on...
I completely agree with this. Yeah, a lot of it is cultural (I have talked to many black guys who see absolutely nothing wrong with dog fighting), and sure, rehabilitation/redemption is always possible. But my point is, we don't really know what's inside of another human being. Maybe Vick is a different, better person, maybe he isn't. I don't know, you don't know, Obama and Tucker Carlson sure as fuck don't know, only the man himself does. What makes me uneasy is that so much of the forgiveness is tied in with how brilliantly Vick is playing as a quarterback this season. Can you honestly tell me that there would be so much love and "what a great story of redemption!" chants for Vick if he had been mediocre in his starts, and was presently backing up Kolb? I don't think there would be. I have no problem with him being a popular superstar in the NFL, but again, the hypocrisy of how the same people view him then and now, so much of it predicated upon the quality of his play, bothers me. I agree with this, too. What is equally disturbing is that Ray Lewis may well have killed a man, and yet, everyone loves and reveres him as a defensive legend and wonderful human being. When you consider the difference between how he is viewed and how LeBron (who did nothing remotely criminal or even wrong) or Tiger are/were perceived, it really shows how insane sports fans and media are.
This is all their is to it. I live in Philadelphia and Vick is an absolute rock star right now. He showed up at the Lakers-Sixers game a couple weeks back and the game was stopped for a minuet because the crowd went crazy. America loves a winner pure and simple, if you win all will be forgiven. Personally I think the man served his time and deserves the second chance. It's always going to bother people seeing a criminal treated like royally, welcome to the world of celebrity. Charlie Sheen and Robert Downey Jr probably have WORST records and yet the public can't get enough of them.
Agreed. Hell if Arthur Blank, the man who once gave Vick a 100 million dollar contract and had his franchise absolutely RUINED by him, can show forgiveness and actually still call and wish Vick well, I think the rest of us should be able to forgive him as well.