This is all very true. The problem is the "NFL norms" aren't what we (and them) are all used to. And question, there was some weird play yesterday (I think it was in the Broncos game but I saw so many I'm not 100% sure which game it was) where the ground clearly had caused the fumble. The ground cannot cause a fumble. Am I wrong?
Jets, Dolphins, Chiefs and Chargers. But you keep moving those goalposts. edit: And Minnesota is 19th, not bottom 3.
I believe the play you are referring to was the fumble forced by Tim Tebow, forced by Jared Allen on a sack. The argument was that the ball was shifting in his hand before he came down ball-first.
If a guy is going down and in the process of hitting the ground the ball pops out then yes, he's down and no fumble. But in yesterday's case Tebow wasn't down yet and dropped the ball when his hand that his was holding it in hit the ground with the ball, so that was a fumble.
I went with scoring defense, cause based on total yards is flawed cause you could pin teams deep and they could rack up yards of offense without ever scoring. As such... Best would be the Jets. I'm not moving goalposts, I'm sick of him taking credit from a defensive sea change that has been nothing short of remarkable.
There will always be excuses. He can't throw, the other defenses suck, his defense is winning. I think the only person that doesn't care why is Tebow himself. And I am sure you meant getting credit, not taking credit.
I didn't mean he is personally doing it, but every game commentary revolves around him and not how beastly this defense has become. Its just the sickening cult of personality that followed him at UF and overshadowed how sick the rest of those teams were.
Dude, you're right, but that has nothing to with his play. Fact is that he's come through when he's needed to. You can't say that about >60% of quarterbacks in the nfl. And you know what? That defense got carved up yesterday and Tebow kept us in it. The defense made a play when they needed to, but it was our offense that kept us in it.
Tebow had a great game, but it's the first time all season he's done that for all four quarters. I always expect QBs to get more credit when they win and more blame when they lose. Hell, even Aaron Rodgers is only what he's doing because Green Bay has the best and deepest receiving group in the league, along with a tight end who's a mismatch nightmare. What's annoying about Tebow is he's increased this phenomenon ten fold. After starting mediocre the broncos and have sky rocketed to the number 1 rushing offenses in the league, and fuck what the stats say, they're playing like a top 5 defense right now. I'll point out that Tebow was a much better passer than he was a runner in college, but I just don't believe in him yet. Having all the intangibles is nice. At some point you need to see it on the field on a consistent basis. So the packers are 12-0. What are they chances they win the next four and complete a perfect season? Can we start talking about this? Do they really measure up with teams like the '85 bears, '07 pats, and the '91 redskins? To be honest, I don't think they've been as dominant at this point. If they manage to finish perfect though, they deserve to be called the best team of all time. Somebody needs to take it from the '72 dolphins squad, who has disingenuously held that title for far too long(I think a lot of the 1-2 loss super bowl winners would have killed them).
I think Green Bay is a very beatable team. They beat teams like Carolina, San Diego and Minnesota by a touchdown, which suggests they play down to opponents they should easily beat. I thought New York had the best chance to beat them, but I think they will let a "pushover" team like Oakland or Kansas City cause them problems. At 12-0, how do you take a team like Kansas City or Oakland seriously? Plus having a few key injuries, like Woodson and Quarless, will lead a team to step on their dicks. Note: I do not think a loss will affect their dominance, just that they can and probably will lose a game before entering the playoffs.
They're definitely not as dominating as teams like the '07 Pats. I mean, the Pats just obliterated many of their opponents that year, and the majority of the close games still appeared to be completely in control. The Jets game at the end of the season springs to mind - IIRC, it was a pretty close score (1 TD?) but the Patriots were steering the entire game. The Packers are playing absolutely top-notch football, but they are not commanding these games as completely as the Pats did that year. Which brings up a question - is "the best team of all time" simply measured by a win/loss record? I'm not sure that it is. Is a team that plays competent football and hangs onto a little luck throughout the season better than a team that plays brilliant football all year and gets burned by a lucky grab in a tough game? That's exaggerated, of course, I'm not saying the Pack is merely competent or that one lucky grab was the difference in the 2007 Super Bowl, but the question stands. Regardless... it's a hell of a good time to be a Packers fan. I suspect there will be a loss by the end of the regular season; this is the hardest time to maintain a win streak, and hopefully the Packers are smart enough to recognize if it comes down to a choice between playing to win the season, and playing to win the Super Bowl.
With regards to the many ego-initiated penalties this year, as also referenced by Costas last Sunday night, did anyone see MJD's big hit on Quentin Jammer last night (I can't find a video)? MJD put his head down and rocked Jammer out of bounds while staying in bounds himself and then walked straight out of bounds at Jammer taunting him. There was no one around MJD and he could have continued running up field, but was way too preoccupied with trash talking. Why the hell couldn't that have waited until, you know, the end of the play, instead of ending it yourself? I would've been outraged as a coach or fellow player. Nice hit, bro, but we tryin' to win a game here.
Slight quibble: the Broncos are the number 1 rushing offense in part due to Tebow. If you remove his rushing yards, they drop to #10. So it doesn't make a ton of sense to hold their rushing success against him.
MJD has something against all of the Chargers. Remember that play he Shawn Merriman the FUCK UP a few years back? There is something there. When it comes to Suh, I knew there was going to be more to the story. I wonder what it is going to be when it ends. I REALLY hate when these stories come out piece by piece where ESPN does that thing where they like to toss out the terrible hypothetical questions just to stir shit.
Caught it on Sportscenter this morning. They remained at the scene when authorities came, and he claimed that everyone was OK and no one was in need of immediate medical attention. They're now claiming that they needed an ambulance.
I call bullshit on the Suh thing, they're trying to fuck with him for money probably. If the cops came and checked it out, there weren't any issues, why come back later and say they needed medical attention? Especially since they felt there was zero need to give him a breathalyzer. Also funny thing pointed on on the Simmons Podcast with his Bronco's fan friend. Mentioned how the Lions went to complete shit after beating Tebow/mocking Tebow. The Vikings lost Adrian Peterson. The Bears lost Cutler and Forter (this Sunday's game) and the Patriots should be worried.
Sooooo I heard an interesting scenario this morning and it goes something like this: The Colts draft Luck. Luck then goes to Denver. And then Tebow goes to Jacksonville. The Packers are favored by 13 points I think over Oakland in GB. I hope the Giants beat the Cowboys in grand fashion or....maybe Dallas will pull another dumbass and beat themselves. I love this time of year and it has absolutely nothing to do with the Holidays.
There's a couple of reasons why that scenario is straight retarded. The amount of draft capital that you'd have to give up to get into #1 this year is ridiculous, because that's essentially what would happen. Let's say Denver gives up all those picks. Now the only way they can patch up their offense is through free agency. How many free agents do you think Denver can lure away with a rookie QB and a bad record? I can't see Denver recouping very many picks with a trade to Jacksonville, even if it is for Touchdown Jesus. The most you could probably get for Tebow would be a late round pick for him, if only because he's such a terrible passer and you'd have to redesign your offense/roster around him.
I agree with everything JJ said up there. A whole different issue is with Peyton. Will they draft Luck? Will Peyton be able to play? If her tried will he last an entire season or will he decide after one more try it's not possible and he's done for good? Do they risk it all on rookie QB? The radio show I was listening to and heard this on used Favre and Rodgers as an example. Here we have Rodgers playing probably the best ball of his life. They say (and I think we've all heard this before) he had a lot of time to stand on the sidelines and watch one of the greats, learn from him, get to know his receivers (I for one firmly believe he knows his guys, knows what they like to catch and delivers. His ability to do this is due in large part because they aren't a big trading team and never have been.) If Peyton is able could this play out like that? I don't think Luck would opt top sit on the bench for all the time Rodgers did but would he? How long would it last? I don't think the comparison is the same because, well it's Luck. Still interesting though. On another football note anyone got any guesses on who's going to get the Heisman?