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2012 NFL Season

Discussion in 'Sports Board' started by shegirl, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. Gator

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    Same thing happened at UM.

    He was so good on special teams they kept trying to put him in on offense and even played him at CB for a while. Fans could never figure out why he wasnt used more.

    Rumor was he could barely read and had zero football IQ. He was like a pee wee league Rb. Just give him the ball, point him in the right direction and let him run.

    But Plays? Schemes? Audibles? Not so much.
     
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    Hester is a guy that was and is on offense for the sole purpose of running "go" routes or the end around. If they have him in for anything else, they are doing it completely wrong. I realize that Ashlon Jeffery is out right now, but once he comes back, their three wide receivers should be Marshall, Jeffery, and Bennett, with Hester showing up only for gimmick plays or as a decoy to stretch the field.

    Then again, it all goes back into what is wrong with the Bears. On defense, they've got their shit figured out. On offense, they remain completely and utterly clueless. They brought in Cutler, thinking that would magically solve all their problems. Of course it is hard to complete passes from your back, or while running for your life. The reality was that they needed an offensive line overhaul and better talent at Wide Receiver. They finally came around on the Wide Receiver front (which I attribute completely to them saying "I am sick of hearing Jay bitch, get him some wide receivers so he'll shut the fuck up."), but they continue to ignore their most glaring issue: their offensive line is fucking awful, and they absolutely, steadfastly REFUSE to do anything about it.

    Maybe, MAYBE next off season they'll make a trade or do some drafting to shore up that line, but by then it will be too late. This year is their window: their aging defense is playing fantastic, but again, it is an aging unit. If they draft to shore up the line, it'll be a year or two before the results start to show, meaning they'll have to trade or go into the free agent market.

    Long story short: as long as their offensive line remains as it is, they will not have a good offense, and they will not be in any Superbowl, which is a shame because their defense is easily good enough to make them a championship caliber team, and they have the skill players to make a run, but that line is just so... so bad.
     
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    Hester would be better off as a change of pace RB, but he cant pass protect and I doubt he'd run through the right hole.

    Part of that responsibility has to be on the coaching staff. If you know your line is bad, run more screens, draws, rollouts, etc. Same thing in Philly. For years, they have told Vick to stand in the pocket and now that he has no pocket, he forgot how to be the dynamic playmaker he was in ATL.

    WR do not make a QB better. They help correct some mistakes, like accuracy, but even the best WR is not going to make a good QB into a great QB. Look at all those plays at the end of the Panthers game. Marshall was bailing Cutler out left and right on short slant passes. Cutlers job is to get Marshall the ball in such a way so Marshall can use his skills to score a TD. Marshall shouldnt have to play jump ball on every single pass that comes his way. Back shoulder throws and 50/50 passes are fine sometimes, but its hard to base an offense around it.

    The real problem with Chicago's line is that they are not good enough at anything. Sometimes, a line mauls on the run but cant pass block. Or vice versa. The Bears cant really do either. Forte bails them out like Marshall bails Cutler out.

    Thats a lot of bailing for 1 offense. Which is only fair, since the defense bails out the offense most of the time anyways! Lots of teams "should be" or "could be" 6-1 but the Bears are. And now that it looks like the Vikings have woken up and realized they were overachieving, they have a nice shot at going deep in the playoffs.
     
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    I can't believe no one else brought up the fact that Alex Smith went 18/19, 3TDs, revived Michael Crabtree from the dead and THERE WAS A RANDY MOSS SIGHTING. Randy Moss "broke" two "tackles" and got a YAC TD. That was fucking awesome. That's fucking insane.
     
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    What? I'm confused. Other than your endless anti-Cutler vendetta, I agree with almost all of what you just said, and the OL is the reason my excitement about the Bears start is a bit tempered (though I'm not doom and gloom D26). But right after you say WRs dont make QBs better, you basically say Marshall is making Cutler better? Excuse me, bailing him out, which is essentially saying the same thing.

    The main reason Marshall is so valuable, is it allows Cutler to make hurried throws into his vicinity and he'll get at them, something Hester is surely not gonna do. You can put a ball right on his hands (or Roy Williams' hands) and there is no guarantee they catch it.
     
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    Its not that I am total doom and gloom, it is that I am annoyed. The Bears are at that perfect spot of being good enough to make the coaches and front office complacent, but not good enough to win a Superbowl, which is what it is supposed to be all about. Their window to win a Superbowl with this defense that they have is very small (maybe within this year or next) and they just don't have time. They'll make the playoffs this year, but I'd be shocked if they made the Superbowl in that exceptionally competitive NFC, and they'll go into next year likely drafting an offensive lineman, but it takes time for those players to develop.

    I know that is a defense capable of winning a Superbowl, and I know they have the skill players to make it happen with Marshall, Forte, and Cutler, but I also know that the offensive line is an anchor weighing that team down. They are two good offensive linemen away from being a Superbowl team, and THAT is what frustrates me, because they're good enough that the front office will be convinced that they can win with what they have.
     
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    It's odd that NOW is when the Jags make a play on Tebow. Because while he hasn't been phenomenal, Gabbert has gotten better in every single way. He's no longer the worst QB in the league, and has been roughly as good or better this year than Wilson, Weeden, Sanchez, Cam, and St. Tannehill.

    There has been a noticeable improvement in the bottom end of QBs this year. Sanchez and Quinn/Cassel are probably the only guys unworthy of a job right now (and Skelton, but Kolb has been pretty good).
     
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    And he was one pass away from setting the all-time single game accuracy record. Smith can move the ball down the field almost as well as anyone when he's on his game. He's just too damn inconstant to get excited when he has a great game. While I would no longer consider him a draft bust, he has not yet lived up to the hype surrounding him when he was drafted.
     
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    Where is the Tebow to Jags play being talked about?
     
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    Oh, the usual unreliable places. Bleacher Report, sports radio, and such. Although the major networks were all speculating on the Jets shopping Tebow last weekend.
     
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    No, I am saying Marshall is bailing Cutler out. If Cutler relies on the ability to just chuck it anywhere near Marshall and have him go get it, then that is not making Cutler a better QB. Maybe for stat purposes, but certainly not overall as a QB. And it doesnt make Marshall a better WR either. He doesnt have rely on running a crisp route or reading the defense to make a play.

    The relationship between Marshall and Cutler is co-dependent at best. Cutler can just wing it around and not have to read a defense or make an accurate throw AND Marshall gets what he wants - a ridiculous amount of targets per game. That way, when people see he had 11 catches for 125 yards and 1 TD, they dont notice the 3 easy catches & 1 TD he dropped. Stats dont tell the whole story, they are just part of the puzzle.

    Im not saying that relationship cant work. Shit, keep doing it til they make you stop doing it! Problem is, if Cutler or Marshall goes down with an injury, the wheels come off pretty quick.
     
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    This story is way more depressing than people going broke from investing in dumb restaurants or buying too many Lambos. He seems like a good and intelligent dude and his family is vilifying him. Despite the fact that, unlike Smith, he is a shithead, I feel like a similar reason was the catalyst for Dez Bryant's spat with his mother a couple months ago.

    Fuck an entourage, you gotta worry about family? Yeesh. I wonder if Jeremy Lin is having this problem.
     
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    I remember watching an interview a couple years ago with I think was Richard Dent where he talked about having to get a divorce because his wife and her family were bleeding him dry.

    He basically said that it got to the point where everybody in her family quit their jobs.

    Damn.
     
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    Probably not, most of his extended family lives in China. He can probably support them for a couple hundred bucks a month.
     
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    I can't imagine what a worthless dickbag you'd have to be to assume that someone else's success is yours to live off of, let alone harassing a family member to the point where you're getting thrown out of practices and escorted away from their home by the police.

    How can you live with yourself?
     
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    I'm sure it is just a misplaced sense of entitlement.

    "Look, he is a rich and famous football player because I supported him all that time! I helped make him, and therefore he OWES ME!"
     
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    So... pretty much what I said?
     
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    They have played 8 games and the only lead they've had is to win the OT game vs the Saints.

    Wow.