South Korea is saying that the event is man-made. The South Korea exchange dropped when the "earthquake" came out, and when they announced it was man-made and NK claimed they ran a hydrogen bomb test, the market perked back up like "Oh, Kim is doing some dumb shit again, nvm".
Fucking idiot, zero visibility when exiting the tunels. And it didn't even look like he was going that fast.
Its stupid. I didnt ask my wife's parents permission, but I asked for their blessing, which means Im going to ask her whether they like it or not so they might as well hop on board.
Pretty much the same here. I was having a cigar with my FIL and told him that I bought a ring that I was gong to give her in a few weeks, and wanted his blessing. He started crying and went in and got scotch to celebrate.
My FIL was cool about it too. He and my wife arent super close and her parents have been divorced since she was a little kid, so him saying no would have only pissed her off anyway.
It's not like I'm actually asking permission... just doing it just for the sake of tradition, okay basically a formality, but also just giving him a heads-up on what may be happening soon.
Well ain't y'all fancy? In my neck of the woods it's usually the father telling the guy he's IS going to marry his daughter. While holding a gun.
I managed to avoid all this nonsense (both times I got engaged) by asking a woman whose father was dead (Mrsanthropic) or no longer in the picture (Almost Mrsanthropic)
I think what you're missing here is that I understand very much that you're not literally asking for permission, but it's the tradition and the ritual and the formality in and of itself that's backwards. Call it "asking for their blessing", "giving them a heads-up", whatever - giving it another name doesn't really change anything substantive about the whole thing. One of the things that really surprises me about my generation is how many people still cling to this particular "tradition", but not others. I mean, I consider myself relatively fond of traditions and formality. I even consider myself a monarchist. But this is the first generation that experienced a childhood with the internet and turned it into ... well, this. A generation where more and more weddings have the groom not even wearing a suit and tie, and every attempt at a tuxedo contains some kind of shiny neon bowtie. Why is it that this one particular tradition has managed to stay on?
Because you all think that changing the trappings of the tradition changes the tradition itself. Wrap it up however you want and if it makes you feel different to wear a neon bow tie or shorts to your wedding, then have at it, but, at the end of the day, you're doing the exact same thing your parents along with millions of other people did before you.
Another thing. Even though women are covered in ink, drinking like sailors, running businesses, all the progress made socially and civilly the past 100 years, that idea of the Disney princess is still as popular as ever. Rom Coms are still a thing. Those things don't really have boundaries. Cinderella can still have sick Sailor Jerry sleeves. Lena Dunham still likes romance. Love Actually knows no boundaries or genders. Women still want to feel like women. Respect for daddy is still a thing. Somewhere. Fuckin' patriarchy. Let's burn bras. Except Danzig. Danzig doesn't care. He's the bad boy every girl wants to be with. FAWWWTHAWWWWW DO YOU WANNA BANG HADS WIF MEEEEUHHH.... Danzig is the ultimate patriarchy killer.
So, gold star for you for getting in a jab at my generation while missing the point. What you said doesn't answer the question. I'm asking why the tradition of asking a bride's father before proposing still endures, and more specifically, I'm asking why it endures when so many other formal and traditional aspects of society are dwindling. Telling me that getting married in shorts is legally the same thing as getting married in pants is a non-sequitur.
I didn't ask my father for permission to marry my wife because he doesn't like me, and he treated her like a slave. A 27 year old should not be expected to do everything their parents ask of them. I gave her the confidence to say no to unreasonable requests. And that angered him. He is a simple country folk, and I am the city slicker that took his daughter away. They had an intervention with her the week before our wedding telling her I was a bad person. I also got married at a bar wearing shorts and a golf shirt, so maybe I just buck all traditions.
I think the motivations behind the tradition changed. Before when people quite literally thought of their children as property and extensions of the bloodline, the dowry was the reciprocal in the transaction. Now I think its more to form a familial bonding experience with the girl's parents. Its more of you asking permission for yourself to be part of their family rather than just taking his daughter away from him. I had a very formal wedding and have attended some very unorthodox ones and that was the one constant through almost all of them.
I found my wife's diamond from a broker who sells them on the side. 1.42 carats for $3200 and then picked the ring out for $1800. The ring from her first marriage was just a tiny stone and she said she was happy with that. She's not a flashy girl but sure as shit her face lights up when someone complements her on her ring (which happens a lot. Somewhere on TiB I've posted pics of it.) Our wedding was about $12k and was basically a huge party. Quick ceremony, few pictures and then everyone got pretty drunk on my tab. Don't regret the cost at all.