Well that's fine, but again, what did you want? Do you think it would have been realistic to have her be anything but that? You're saying she should have inexplicably been the one single interesting and violent(?!) housewife in the world? This would've been plausible to you? They were BOTH boring, white middle-class nonviolent people until the series started. As the audience we got to see Walt change, and we got to see Skylar deal with Walt's change (eventually changing herself). But unlike us, she was ignorant of the reason, so all she saw was her boring white middle-class nonviolent husband acting weird out of nowhere. How was she supposed to react? If you can't find humanizing qualities in a pregnant woman whose husband didn't even tell her he had cancer, let alone the danger he put her and the kids in, I don't know what to tell you. Shitty relationship? This wasn't a girl staying with a guy who treated her like crap. This was a boring middle-class nonviolent woman whose boring middle-class nonviolent husband has, for no good reason whatsoever, brought murderous drug dealing criminals into their supposedly shared, and perfectly mundane life. Maybe I'm a softie, but I find it pretty easy to find sympathy in that. Hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty sure that was kind of the point. They were both uncomplicated characters until the decisions Walt made, which forced Skylar to react. I think her reaction was completely realistic. Haha, sorry dude, the minute you start comparing anything about that show, even in its kind of good years, to this one, your argument loses pretty much all of its weight.
Annnnnnd the line has been drawn and Jesse is dead. But that'd be too simple for Giligan. Jesse is having another of his revelations and I'm hesitant for what evidence (or other retaliation) he reveals next week.
Jesse kills hank and gomez. Marie kills skyler. Todd kills Junior and Lydia. Saul goodman kills Todd/uncle. Walt dies of his ricin suicide. Jesse, Saul laugh together finding the lotto ticket / gps cordinance numbers to stash of cash hidden in desert. Marie has custody of baby holly. Jesse /Saul/Marie/ baby holly last people alive.... The end. walts Flash back of his birthday at dennys before the suicide
While I definitely tend to agree on Anna Gunn's argument about the way women are usually portrayed and received, her turn this season just feels off. I should have rewatched all of the season before this but I still have a hard time believing she wouldn't feel her children's safety wouldn't and, in the end, future be much better off turning on Walter and becoming a states witness or letting Hank take him down. She tried a thinly veiled suicide attempt and prayed his cancer would come back so she wouldn't have to face the continued danger Walt puts them in. I'm not buying that she'd do an almost entire about face and pressure Walt into murdering people before she tried to detach herself from him. Then again maybe she sees what Jesse sees and that Walt has everything too clocked to lose in the end. Still kind of a stretch in my eye. I feel like Marie scene with the shrink felt like a continuation of Skylar's character from the other season wishing Walt dead. Now as far as written to be a harpy bitch it would be Marie. I give Betsy Brant credit as I thought the shrink scene with her was acted fantastically. Quite a decent turn for a character that doesn't get that much screen time. I know people have mentioned Walt Jr.'s lack of material. I'd have to say Gillian still uses his character's function on the show beautifully. I think his continued innocence and supreme devotion to his dad has always illustrated Walt's self centered narcissistic behavior wonderfully. He doesn't seem to lie to his son to protect him but to keep his plans intact and undetected. I want to say too, it was highly implied Jesse wants to target Walt's family, particularly Skylar. I think one of two things will happen here. One, he'll threaten her directly with violence and it's good bye Jesse. Or, he'll target her to flip on Hank. If he can't figured out the convoluted cigarette lifting scheme he sure as hell knows Skylar has been unhappy with Walt for sometime from that one dinner they had together. I'm not sure what angle he'd come at her to do this though. In my Superfantastic reading into the minutia, I was thinking the way Jesse's head was framed by the cameras facial recognition box had some deeper meaning. Will Walt have to "frame" him like he did Hank? Does it mean he'll end up in a box aka coffin for his actions? Dun dun DUUUUUUUN.
Thats my thought as well, Skylar hates Walt and wishes him dead, kicks the kids out, then all of a sudden is cool with telling Walt to kill people? Turning states evidence would have been keeping in the story line better, completely backing Walt and suddenly being cool with all he's done just doesn't seem like it adds up to me.
I was thinking a couple episodes ago that Skylar's turn seemed a bit much. I believe the justification/logic is that she knows he's "out" of the business, and he's dying, so she figures, in some twisted way, that he/they should be able to get away with it. There's also the more obvious theme that Walt poisons all those around him (like a cancer!), and having his back is one of the ways it manifests in Skylar, just like Hank not giving a shit if Jesse dies (almost like he hoped for it), and Marie fapping to the idea of killing Walt herself. They've been having more and more Walt Jr heart-to-hearts lately. That makes me think something awful is going to happen to him soon, and that makes me sad. I originally assumed Walt would be using the M60 against the Nazis, but what if it ends up being an even bigger war? Perhaps Lydia's Czech client comes calling? Hey, it's sure starting to look like Hank and Jesse are gonna work together like Scotty and Chekov versus Spock, thinking they've got Walt only to fuck up or have some chick fuck them up and end up with Jesse's guts floating in space. Or something. So where does Walt really live?
The most obvious thing would be for Jesse to go after jr, but I don't see Hank letting that happen. One theory I saw was that the job Walt has for Todd is faking his own death.
I mean I get the idea of Walt faking his own death but I still feel like Jesse would probably figure it out somehow or just draw Walt back out by continuing to harass his family after he is supposedly gone.
Fuck, you guys just reminded me. I had a messed up dream last night where Walter fakes his own death in front of Jr. Forget the details, but the idea hurts my soul. With basically everyone telling him to die or kill himself at some point, I've kinda assumed he was gonna end up faking it. Tough to see how, or even why, at this point, but that's why we watch. I don't see how Hank doesn't end up actually killing himself though. Oh and I'd bet Gomie dies too. Any guesses where Jesse is going? Car wash is the only thing that comes to my mind, but that seems way too obvious.
I was watching it for the 2nd time last night and I had a revelation: Jesse dies. When he's at Hank's house and Marie hands him the cup of coffee, the coffee cup says "DEA" on it. The handle makes the last "D" so it says "DEAD". Also, when he's wandering around the purple palace, look at the titles on a lot of the books. Jesse's going to get it.
Read a crazy theory online that, while a stretch, would be very Breaking Bad. Basically, this internetter thinks Gretchen had a baby bump in the old flashback where she and Walt are tallying up all the chemistry that makes up a human body. Obviously there was a falling out and, according to this internetter, Gretchen and the other Grey Matter guy don't have a kid (not sure if that was actually made clear). The theory is that she put the baby up for adoption and she grew up to be Jane. So while Walt originally did all this for his family, he actually ends up killing his "family", Jane and Jesse (presumably). Anyways, I keep thinking of two Jesse lines from last ep. The "gonna hit you where you really live", which I can't think of at all even though I know it'll be an "Ooohhhh, of course!" moment when it happens, and "whatever you think is going to happen, the complete exact opposite will happen", an obvious nod to the audience. So...wouldn't the complete opposite of what we're expecting be Walt goes to the police? No idea how an M60 and all that would end up happening, but I can totally envision a scene where Hank, after finally obtaining hard evidence on Walt, strolls into the cop shop all proud, opens a door and sees Walt sitting there, having just pinned everything on Hank (including Jesse's presumed death), along with the CD confession. Hank kills himself shortly after. Thoughts?
I thought Jane was Q's daughter? Not that Q couldn't have set it up so that Walt kills his own daughter who is actually his daughter and then purposefully let the airliners crash. That is the sort of realty bending shenanigans Q loves to do. Man this show IS heavy on the Star Trek analogies.
He was trying to make fun of me, lhprop1. Obviously he did a stellar job. I thought my "Anyways..." lead in implied that my "Thoughts?" referred to my second paragraph (that he omitted), not the "crazy/stretch" theory I brought up in the first, but if it made Kubla feel good to rip on someone he thinks is a Star Trek nerd (I had to look up who Q is), I'm glad to help. ANYWAYS, in the interest of furthering discussion on an internet message board thread discussing a TV show, does anyone have any thoughts on where Jesse's heading, or what "the opposite" could be?
I can only assume it's Walt's stash of cash, which is very cliched and below Gilligan. Jesse is going to offer to make blue for the Aryans in exchange for the hit on his life and placing it on Walt.
I was curious about this, so I took a look. Some of the titles: 'Destiny', 'Deadwood', 'Crazy Rhythm'. But more significantly: 'The money harvest', 'Big Secrets' and.....'Rat'. Oh yeah, and 'Dutch', so it'll probably mean he ends up snitching on Walt and getting killed while wearing clogs.
Holy crap, what an ending. I knew Jesse was bluffing and that the neo-nazis should show up anyway but it was nerve wracking as hell. How many episodes left? 3? If I were to guess, the neo nazis set Walt free, he refuses to cook, they fuck with his family and he leaves for New Hampshire with a new identity from Sauls guy. The nazis kidnap Jesse and force him to cook and Walt comes back to rescue him. Hank and Gomez get gunned down the beginning of the next episode.