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  1. Juice

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    Its crazy that the Making a Murderer doc is getting so much attention. Wouldnt be surprising to see if there are other documentaries that spring up about similar cases of (seemingly) gross injustice if there is a tangible impact on Avery's conviction.

    Looks like the White House responded to calls for a pardon that they really cant do anything and it has to be from the Wisconsin governor. The guy shouldnt be pardoned just because of the documentary. After all, there is a narrative bias there. But if they get the state's attorney general to look into it, things will get interesting.
     
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    Movies-- especially documentaries have had a resounding effect on occasion. Errol Morris made a movie called The Thin Blue Line where he set out to prove than a drifter was innocent of killing a Dallas police officer, and that the shitbag who dimed him out (and ended up on death row) was the real killer.

    The movie is mesmerizing, and when released the response caused the case to be re-opened and the drifter was acquitted. Gets my vote as the best documentary ever made.
     
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    Gov. Scott Walker already said he won't pardon Avery. My guess is the AG doesn't give a shit either. The appeals courts all upheld the verdict so it is a self fulfilling prophecy. Wisconsin is so broke don't expect any superfluous spending on silly things like due process. People will literally have to march on the capitol steps before a cretin like Walker will make any moves.

    Florida famously fried an innocent guy. He was no angel, but he didn't kill the FHP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Tafero This case is similar to Avery's. Guy is railroaded because of priors and fallacious testimony. "Tafero was to be executed by electrocution. The machine, dubbed "Old Sparky", malfunctioned, causing six-inch flames to shoot out of Tafero's head. A member of the execution team had used a synthetic sponge rather than a sea sponge, which is necessary to provide greater conductivity and a quick death. In all, three jolts of electricity were required to execute Tafero, a process that took seven minutes.[8] Prison inmates later claimed that 'Old Sparky' was "fixed" and tampered with to make Tafero's execution more like torture. One close inmate friend of Tafero later said he could smell the burning flesh of his friend for days after."
     
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    The thing is, these folks have invested so much of their time on their cause and fighting people who told them it might not be a good idea, that when when things like this happen their response is to blame the other side rather then admit they were wrong.

    I've actually seen feminists blaming this on CIS white males because "CIS white males only get angry when other cultures rape, they should all be held accountable if any males rape."
     
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    Can anyone guess what book is back on bookstore shelves in Germany starting today?
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    And guess who rears her ugly head first?
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    That's about as far as I got with it too. It is truly the meandering non-cohesive thoughts of a lunatic.

    From what I've heard, the copies for sale in Germany are still going to be the actual book, but also heavily notated...like 1000 or so pages.
     
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    I propose a small experiment, based on this article.

    Take a look at who is the richest in your state, do a brief bit of research (my state's richest person took me all of a wiki article to determine how she was the wealthiest in my state, as you'll see), and post who it is and how they made their money. I'm curious to see the results. I'll probably do a few other states that no one on the board is from.

    Pennsylvania: Mary Alice Dorrance Malone.

    How she got rich: Heiress to the Campbell's Soup fortune (aprx. $3.1 Billion).
     
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    Without even looking at the article, I can already tell you that in Ohio it's Les Wexner.

    How he got rich: Started Limited brands back in the 60's and then built a retail empire including Victoria's Secret, Bath & Body Works and a few others. Now he's worth somewhere around $7.6 Billion.

    edit: Dammit, Clutch beat me to it.
     
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    MA - Abigail Johnson - runs Fidelity

    CT - Ray Dalio - runs multiple PE funds, most notably Bridgewater.
     
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    New Jersey : David Alan Tepper - $10-12 Billion (depending on the source)

    Hedge Fund Manager
     
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    I mean we could go through the entire list, but the richest people are one of three things (with a few outliers):

    1) They are the founder/CEO/C-level exec of a blue-chip mega-corp like Walmart, Apple, Oracle, etc.

    2) They do IB/PE/HF

    3) They have a real estate conglomerate.
     
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    Minnesota's is Whitney MacMillan at $4.6 billion, former CEO of Cargill and great-grandson of the founder- heir to the throne.

    Glen Taylor, owner of the Timberwolves and several businesses in my hometown, is worth about half at over $2 billion and used to come by the Culver's I worked at in on occasion. Seemed like a nice guy and didn't flaunt his wealth around town, unless you count charitable contributions. In contrast to MacMillan he is self-made and got his start by offering to work for free selling postcards out of the trunk of his car, before moving up the ladder.

    My last name is spelled the same as a couple of noteworthy bastards on that list but for better or worse am not related.
     
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    Florida: Mickey Arison. $7 billion, founder of Carnival Cruise Lines.

    I'm a bit surprised that Carnival is worth that much.

    Saw that Larry Ellison is worth $52 billion. That surprises me too. Last I heard he was worth $4 billion. Goddamn rich people. I didn't think Oracle was still doing *that* well.
     
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    Virginia is Jacqueline Mars, whose grandfather founded Mars candy. She's a director with her two brothers, but they don't have a day to day role.
     
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    In SC we've got Anita Zucker, she took over the Hudson's Bay company from her late husband. Second richest, and richest that is actually from here is Darla Moore who is on the board at Rainwater Inc.
     
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    Texas: Alice Walton, heiress to the WalMart fortune. Lame.
     
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    On the corporate and enterprise level, its massive. Back-end databases, ERP systems, consulting services, and they own other companies like PeopleSoft and Primavera.

    Dude likes his yachts and bought one of the Hawaiian islands.
     
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    Nevada: Sheldon Adelson $28B

    Founded the COMDEX show, sold it in 1995, and moved on to buying and developing resorts.