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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. ODEN

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    It seems like most people get it, they are essentially one and the same. It also seems like most people are unhappy with their one choice in a system that only provides the illusion of two choices. So why aren't people working towards a new choice or multiple new choices? It doesn't seem like anyone even considers the thought of fixing the problem.
     
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    So supposedly Mitt Romney is going to make a big speech tomorrow about this election. Whether he's throwing his name in or not, I couldn't tell.

    My question is, if he were to decide to run, is it too late? Is there a window where a person can no longer run?
     
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    It sounds like he doesnt intend to run based on what "sources" say, but it would be a little strange for him just to make a major speech to shit on Trump. Big-time republican donors are actively campaigning against Trump now, so they might be begging Mitt to jump in. I guess he has a chance up until the nomination process, but its waning by the day.
     
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    Compared to everyone else in the repub race right now, he looks like a goddamned angel. Compared to what Trump has said throughout his campaign, Mitt's 47% comment looks completely reasonable. Even when it was factually correct.
     
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    Did you read these articles closely? The essence of it is Rubio was arrested for being in a park after hours. There were two other guys there. There were no records - but the article used 'destroyed.' He applied to law school in 95. They ask you if you've been convicted of a crime or have a record. The records were probably expunged because either there was no conviction, or it was a misdemeanor, or he was put in a Pretrial Intervention program.

    These types of articles are garbage. I had a friend in high school. Once, we got caught smoking cigarettes on school grounds. Subsequently, many years later, that guy became a heroin addict and robbed banks. Am I now a heroin addict and bank robber because I associated with someone who became one years later? That's what these articles are.
     
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    They can campaign against Trump all they want, but they need to accept the fact that the GOP doesn't belong to them anymore, it belongs to Trump and the people who believes he "tells it like it is" when in fact he's an lying irresponsible failure of a human being. Still better than Cruz, though. You won't find a more detestable politician in America.
     
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    I know the republican party has a core of responsible human beings who care about social issues, who sincerely want the best for this country economically. I think this group of reasonable people, has been vastly overshadowed by their extreme counterparts. Its my hope this group of rational people will retake their party.
     
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    I read it to say that there are still reports out there but no charges were filed. It looks like a misdemeanor charge which is nothing, even if he was convicted or plead guilty or it was plead out. The isn't what's interesting; it is the when, where and with whom. After dark, in a park known for homosexual activity with a homosexual. It could all be coincidence but add that to reports of the circumstances he lived under in college, attending foam parties at gay clubs.....too many coincidences. Straight jock football players in the early 90's wouldn't be caught dead in these situations.

    Again, I don't care if he is gay. What I care about is someone who is so zealously anti-gay but shows homosexual indicators. There is something wrong and unsettling about it; he is hiding from the truth and it makes me question everything about him.
     
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    You're trolling us right? This isn't the first time you've posted information from websites that are so blatantly without merit that it boggles my mind. These are conspiracy theories meant to discredit him and nothing more.

    Here is how I teach my students to evaluate information. You should give that a gander. Pay attention to the last three letters of the acronym in this case. Also, why would his political opponents keep a lid on any solid evidence that he was gay knowing it would sink his campaign immediately?
     
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    Ok, evaluator-in-chief or gatekeeper of truth. Does this site, with real journalists suffice?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...82a72e-c04d-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html

    Here is Angel Barrios, Rubio's "friend" in the park: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-11th-circuit/1529080.html Go ahead and google his company.

    Many times, I prefer to get to the point and avoid the tedium that is posting several links and explanations but I must say, it is fun to have people look down their nose unnecessarily at me. So again, given the circumstances of the articles and the background of the people around Rubio. Do you believe that given the climate around homosexuality in the early 1990s that a football-playing jock, Republican, who is a zealous anti-gay marriage guy would be spending a lot of time around these people in these types of places? I sure wouldn't expect that, am I alone here?

    Oh and to your other question: Why hasn't anyone screamed this out loud already? I have no idea. Why aren't people screaming louder in the Democratic party about Hillary lying to Congress or jeopardizing state secrets, or any other number of questionable events in her past? Why aren't Republicans attacking Trump for his past misdeeds dealing with the IRS or the mafia? I don't know.
     
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    Okay sure, let's take the Washington Post article:

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    You're trying desperately to see something in all of this when there is nothing there. I don't look down my nose unnecessarily at you. I look down at you because you're posting bullshit information in the "serious" thread.
     
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    Big difference between words and actions.

    Cruising a park with a guy who runs gay websites and clubs for pretty girls in an area known for prostitution (straight and gay) makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. First time at the park? Sure I can buy that. Cruising for pretty girls in parks after dark in high crime areas, known for drugs and prostitution? Try again, that's pants-on-fire bullshit lies. Or maybe we just have different definitions for pretty girls?
     
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    Keep it civil.
     
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    To be a bit clearer on the "keep it civil", there has been some really good, civil discussion around here about politics, of all things, and when people start getting pissy with each other it causes others to shut up and not participate. I just want to be sure that we stay focused on keeping things polite and inclusive.
     
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    The fact that both Marco Rubio and Barak Obama have to keep it on the downlow means that America really isn't as progressive and accepting as we would like to think we are, even in the Democratic Party. That's a shame.

    Oh, you didn't know about the Barak Obama rumors? Google Hillbuzz. If gay dudes are certain that the President is gay, there might be something to that. The President's sexual orientation shouldn't matter to anyone though. Again, it's a shame that it's even an issue.
     
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    So I guess there's a republican debate tonight? And from what I just heard on the news, from someone interviewing Trump live, he's going to fight his way through this evening like a cornered bully. If he becomes President the Chinese and the rest of the world are going to love him!
     
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    These are very wise words. I am noticing a thirst on this board (and elsewhere) that has been quite heartening (even from our Canadian brothers and sisters) for information regarding our political process. I have not seen interest like this in my lifetime. Sure, people 'talk' politics, but rarely have I seen widespread desire to understand the system we live in and why it is the way it is. This goes beyond mere bitching (which is annoying) but a swell from many people that I believe began in '08. People wanted 'hope and change' and were willing to go with a guy that was perceived as a political outsider (and tread lightly here, as I'm not damning or supporting Obama - just pointing out that his election seems to signal the beginning of the end of political apathy from the masses in this country). It appears that after 8 years, people on both sides (which I hate the idea that there should be sides) of the political spectrum are dissatisfied with the changes - some believe it hasn't gone far enough (Sanders) and some believe it has gone too far (Trump/Rubio/Cruz).

    I believe Net's warning is well timed. People really want to know more factually. I want to know more factually (and frankly I learn more here than just about anywhere else). Politics, as people are learning, is vitally important. It is the method by which we allocate resources among the people at large. Ultimately, that's all government is, pooling and channeling resources for the benefit of...(and this is where your particular bent comes in). Discussion of these principles is imperative. You have many people, my age and younger, looking around and saying 'wait a minute, this isn't what the American dream was supposed to be, nor what I was told it would be.' There is a lot of anger (on all sides) that despite doing what we were told (going to college, caring for our families, working hard, not taking advantage of others) we are not succeeding as our parents and their parents did. And now we (the collective) are asking 'why?' The only more important question is 'what kind of country do you want to live in? What does success look like to you?

    I want to discuss those questions, I want lots of input/information. To get that, and I'm being selfish here, this thread MUST remain civil. I need more viewpoints. People will not give that to me if they're afraid of being attacked personally. So please, don't. Disagreement is encouraged, bashing of posters is not.

    I have found the debates to be utterly worthless, however, tonight's should be interesting from the standpoint of what the candidates will do about Trump. Frankly, without a major correction ideologically, this could well be the beginning of the end of the Republican party as we know it.
     
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    I think we have a very mild version of what is going on in the Middle East. Both sides are heavily concentrated on fucking over the other side or undoing what the other side has done. Obama's entire campaign in 2008 was just that. The Republicans are doing it now. Israel and Palestine (and whomever else) have the same perspective. They use past offenses as the reasoning behind current hostilities. Obviously, we dont kill each other over it, but maybe theres a larger component of human nature here that is unavoidable.

    I also think people get too caught up in the nonsense. Donald Trump isn't a great candidate, but hes not Hitler reincarnated. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist, but hes not Mao Zedong. More realistically, if Trump wins, I think he will be a moderate, disappointing, 1-term president. Its too bad Sanders isnt more moderate, otherwise he would win in a big way.