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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Revengeofthenerds

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    CNN projecting Kasich winning Ohio.... Does this guy actually have a shot? I mean, what's the likely outcome now? Brokered? And if it does go brokered, no way they're going for the narcissist or the one who shut down the government right?

    Or maybe I'm just optimistic because Kasich is the only one I actually like.
     
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    Not unless all the Rubio voters start voting for him and even then it's slim. Pretty much him and Rubio have been running 3 & 4 in most primaries.
     
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    I share virtually no commonalities with the GOP candidates. The religious demagoguery is unpalatable to me, alarmingly so. I am not their intended audience, obviously, but some of the shit being preached from the pulpit is thinly veiled hate speech. If one can even deign it "veiled," if not outright. It is a betrayal of christian values. Yet, people eat it up. Much like they do not know how their own government operates, they don't know how their own religion operates; or even how it was developed. Above all, I probably fear most people who do not question anything. They go along with a lot of bad ideas. And they want to intertwine government and their religion. Never your religion, or lack of, just theirs.

    In his ceding speech tonight Rubio said, "America is in the middle of a real political storm, a real tsunami and we should have seen this coming." This is bullshit. Anyone who paid attention saw this coming on November 5th, 2012. The election cycle did not stop these past 4 years, as rhetoric grown into a torrent of vitriol. The day after the election saw a whole lot of varied sources say the exact same thing. More and more the right is relying on the money and agenda of the billionaire class and leaning on the religious right. The lack of viable candidates the GOP offered is exactly the product of that sick marriage while the one halfway decent guy is sitting there trying to scream over it all. I do not care for Kasich's stance on many issues, but he seems as close to a moderate as you will find in their ranks.

    No way Kasich gains much ground outside of Ohio. According to the article I posted the page prior, an 8 state majority is needed for votes to be counted at convention. Both Rubio and Jeb pumped literally hundreds of millions into their campaigns, and they are now out. Kasich will see a spike, but he doesn't have the campaign to get his message across. I think he's just eating up Cruz votes. Cruz is the only who has carried anything else. But, as we've all said before, nobody actually likes Cruz, so his party won't go to bat for him.

    That's the real question, where do Rubio's votes now go? They might not even matter Trump's so far ahead.
     
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    Were you really browsing maxim.com for political news? I had no clue maxim was still an entity until now. There are way better places to get picturea of scantily clad women.
     
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    A 20 year old co-worker shared it on Facebook.

    Although at one point in time I used to have a maxium subscription. Some of the stuff was decent, but then I remembered Pop Science/Mechanics was way better.
     
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    He is mathematically eliminated from getting the nomination outright. As noted by CJ, he doesn't have the wins for a brokered nomination, and probably won't get them.

    I like him the most of the Republican candidates, but make no mistake, his positions are neoconservative right down the line, and always have been.
     
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    Like Playboy?!! No wonder our country is falling apart.
     
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    So if he can't win in a brokered convention anyway, what would be the reasoning for staying in?

    Or are you just saying he doesn't have the wins YET, and that he could theoretically still get them?
     
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    There are still 20+ contests left, so theoretically he can still get them. I haven't seen many polls yet, but the ones I have seen all have him a distant 3 or 4. So yes, he could win some more states, but realistically, there have been 20+ contests and Kasich has won exactly one: his homestate.
     
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    Is a reasonable question to ask for a primer on how the brokered convention goes?

    I mean I've read the wikipedia entry, but in practicality what would it look like? Does all this anti-trump rhetoric have any sway? I'm assuming that the more states Kasich wins the better he "looks" to the people voting, but would they likely vote according to what the party wants (I figure Kasich first then Cruz) or what they think the people want, i.e. who has won the most states (either Trump or Cruz at that point)?
     
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    I think Kasich would've had to of done much better in his home state then approximately a 7% margin to have any kind of outside chance at all. 7% is not a convincing victory in your own state.

    What's next for Bernie now? This had to be his death rattle for the Dem nomination. Independent run?
     
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    It's a true testiment to how low the GOP has fallen that he is considered the moderate and rational one.
     
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    I doubt it. But imagine if you get to the convention, Trump is not the nominee - decides to run independent, and Bernie decides to run independent, and holy fucking shit. You could theoretically have a four person race. As a political scientist I would come in my pants. As an American, I would fear for my life.
     
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    I hadn't even thought about that scenario. That would be Civil War v2.0.
     
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    Not going to happen. "State filing deadlines would give the two Republicans until about March to launch independent or third-party campaigns, experts said. That would give a well-financed campaign enough time to gather sufficient signatures on petitions so the candidate could appear on the ballot in every state."

    This is it. Come 2020, look for a serious third party contender. Maybe Bernie, now that he has momentum, but he isn't keen to split the left's votes. Possibly someone from the losing segment of the GOP this race. That is, someone who doesn't have a senate or Congress seat to lose. I honestly do not see either side splitting the vote, but it is possible, and seems kind of likely given how this race is going so far.
     
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    Yes, but social media has changed the landscape. They could both run 'write in' campaigns if they wanted to, thereby bypassing those deadlines. As I said, I doubt highly that such a scenario would play out, but if this cycle has shown us anything it's that anything is possible.
     
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    I don't see that many write-ins happening. If Trump somehow manages to lose the nomination I do see an epic shitstorm. Poof, 1/6 of the voters disappear. But, that's wishful thinking. GOP will not risk losing the presidency and a bunch of key seats in both houses to shut this guy out.

    The front page photo of Trump on CNN is freaking me out. Looks like he has ballsacks under his eyes.

    Edit: Ted Cruz is making a play for Rubio supporters. Makes sense, the two were similar. Rubio may become Ted's running mate. Otherwise the kid is probably done in politics. Fox News welcomes their newest panelist.

    Edit 2: Call it. Trump wins Missouri by 1300 votes. That's damn close.
     
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    Juice Edit: Let's steer this back to some actual discussion. It's trending towards a Rant/Rave thread and YouTube comment section-quality posts.