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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. xrayvision

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    A lot of Bernie voters feel that way because of the superdelegates. If there's a comparable amount of people sitting out on both sides, it could be close.

    A lot of people are so disgusted with Wasserman Schultz and her obvious support for Hillary and changing the rules to get her more money, they won't vote for Hillary on that alone. Let alone that you can't even explain what Hillarys platform even is. Her campaign slogan should just be a picture of a windsock.

    Add to the fact that there's a group of people out there who can easily render people's votes useless because their vote has more power than others. People are pissed.
     
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    That seems to pretty much be the theme of this year's election all around. I hope against hope that the parties take notice of this trend.
     
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    A main reason for that is the "party" publicly acknowledges that they do what's best for the "party". They are missing the fucking point. No one cares about the parties. They care about the issues.

    This is why Bernie and Trump do so well. Because they only went to their respective parties to get the attention. While we stay with a 2 party system, no one else stands a chance. What party someone identifies with doesn't matter anymore as much as someone addressing the actual concerns of the people.
     
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    But guys, Hillary just said yesterday that "Feminism is fleek". She's so hip and in touch with everything and in no way disingenuous. YASS KWWEEEN

    Rational people are thinking that there is no way Trump or Cruz can't get the nomination...but you can't think rationally here. Trump wont get it and people are underestimating the hate for Cruz within his own party, after his recent surge.

    I proposed a Paul Ryan/Kasich ticket created by the convention to one of my friends, and we both nodded thoughtfully...and then started laughing cause thats a reasonable and strong ticket to sensible voters, and reasonable or sensible have no place in this election.
     
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    Why shouldn't she be obvious in her support for Hillary? Bernie isn't doing anything for the Democratic Party except free-riding on their established base - while at the same time deriding the party for being too establishment and doing exactly zero to support Democrats in down-ticket races. Why should I - or anyone a part of the DNC - give him my support when he's not doing a damn thing to support my (and their) state and local representatives? If I were a superdelegate and he wanted my vote after free-riding on my party, trash-talking my party, and doing absolutely zero to support members of my party who were running for their own offices I'd tell him to go fuck himself.
     
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    This will be the first and hopefully only time I said "I told you so" on here:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...d-to-have-a-sense-of-proportion-a6704201.html

    I said that extreme regressive were going to slowly try and mainstream pedophiles like it's an acceptable form sexual orientation. Call me old fashioned, but it's not. We can't forget the horrific nature of sex crimes against children, but hey, it's just like gay people making love.

    I'm sorry, but this right here is The Line. This demographic does not get accepted into society, period. If you are attracted sexually to children --if you can't help yourself--, then you got a raw deal in SOME way and I'm sorry but your choices to walk amongst us are either chemical castration or an entire bottle of sleeping pills at once.

    This is how bad it is, the real sickos don't even hide anymore. Talk to this guy on Twitter (apparently not a troll) he'll proudly boast the reasons for his repulsive bio to you believe me:

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    Sorry, but society started chasing down this rabbit hole years ago. It called being progressive.

    If a 4 year old is allowed to choose their own gender, why shouldn't they be allowed to choose their sexual partners? How are they supposed to know if they like boy penis, girl penis, boy pussy or girl pussy unless they actually try each flavor several times? Maybe they like them all. Along with animal penis and animal pussy. It's their choice and as parents we are wrong to interfere with their choice. They're just little adults.

    Besides, look at great men in history...the prophet Mohammed's favorite wife was a 9 year old. If it's good enough for Allah's perfect man, who are we with our archaic mores and values to decide what's right and wrong?

    Thank God I won't live to see this whole fucked up generation rule the world.
     
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    I would stay away from saying pedophilia is going to become acceptable. Very sky-is-falling type of claim. That story is vile click bait and apparently its achieving its goal.
     
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    I hope that every generation has the common sense, before they change any social policies, to ask, "Is it harmful?"

    Gays marrying = no "harmful" argument can be made that does not invoke religious doctrine or thinly disguised fear that you will catch cooties from a gay person.
    Interracial marriage = no "harmful" argument can be made that does not invoke inherent prejudice or fear of those different than yourself.

    Legalizing pedophilia = Harm. One of the people involved in the act is unable to consent. Sexual contact without consent is invariably harmful, even if it happens to feel good at the time. The fallout from any kind of sexual abuse (even if it's introduction to sexual play at too young of an age) can and does cause behavioral and emotional problems later.

    Legalizing incest = This is way trickier. I'd say that for sure any incest occurring prior to age of majority is a no-go (see above). As to adults looking to date/marry close relatives? I'd argue no harm, with the caveat that there was no childhood abuse. Of course you could never legislate that kind of condition into practice. I'm not even willing to add "but deformed children are harmed!" into the argument, because people with genetic disorders marry all the time and we don't force sterilization. If you remove the "ick" factor from this, there's a path for it.

    In fact the incest problem, in my view, could actually become an issue. Why? The rising trend of using sperm banks and donor eggs means that a greater number of people will have babies that are related to each other but not raised together. Genetic Sexual Attraction is actually a thing, and (from what I understand) is more common than not when related people meet as adults for the first time. There seems to be an imprinting phase that happens during development between the ages of birth to about five years old. It's highly uncommon for children raised together at this age to ever go on to date or marry, even if they are not genetically related. Conversely, if they ARE related and DID NOT spend time together in these formative years, then their similarities can actually cue the brain as attractive. Imagine meeting someone who has your sense of humour, similar outlook on life and just gets you without having to ask questions. You'd be attracted, right? Well that's what happens.

    Long-winded post which can be summed up (TL;DR):
    - Pedophilia will always be harmful and should not be allowed. Children cannot consent.
    - Adult incest is actually a thing and more common than you'd imagine, but not for reasons you'd think.
    - If you don't want your kid to grow up attracted to someone, make sure the kid spends time with them when they're 0-5 years old.
     
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    One of the issues I'd like to see more coverage on is mental health. And I'm not talking about mental health for the acutely psychotic or unwell, but care for people who have a hard time holding a job because of depression. Or say that person who has trouble maintaing relationships because they lack social skills.

    Economically, there could be a significant increase in worker production if individual mental health problems receive appropriate care that comes in a comprehensive way. The community would benefit as a whole. But I think there is still substantial stigma around this issue and most people are expected or think they need to be able to fix these things by themselves.

    I think men in particular have a hard time promoting this issue. The benefits of such care are usually downplayed while the stigma and cost tend to get accentuated. If someone talks to a group of men about therapy or medication there will be an awkward silence and some eye rolling. Because of this, I think the issue gains attention from time to time but fades away because men in particular feel uncomfortable with the topic.
     
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    It is illegal. How's that for pragmatism.

    I love the milkduds hollering that people would be allowed to marry their pets next. Except that pets can't sign the fucking marriage certificate.
     
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    Not since Lawrence vs Texas in 2003, at least in the US.
     
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    Well, so fucking what? I'm talking about consenting adults exercising their full rights and somehow, to you, that is analogous to incestual relationships, which inherently have have violent, emotional, psychological ramifications on children.

    I'm not discussing this insipid arugment. If you can't realize the difference, hat's off to you.
     
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    "I'm uncomfortable with something so I'm going to accuse you of supporting pedophilia" should be added to the list of logical fallacies.
     
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    It's still on-going. They promised to raise campus minimum wage to $12. It took the protesters 30 minutes to start screaming it's not enough.

    "Nine student protesters began a sit-in outside Brodhead's office Friday. The administrative building has been shut down for classes and visitors ever since."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-refuse-to-leave-the-administration-building/

    Fuck those protesters. Charge them for the lost class time expenses other students have incurred because of their bullshit. And if they want folks to earn $15 a hour for menial labor, they can open their own fucking business and pay whatever the hell they want.
     
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    How is 9 pissed off college students news? I'm as sick of SJW nonsense as anyone, but...well, fuck em. The only way they persist is with attention.

    And why would you close an office for 9 people sitting down? I would knee you in the face walking to get my fucking education, precisely because I didn't want to earn $12 an hour.
     
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    While I'm personally not Catholic, I have to say I am a huge fan of the current Pope and how he is changing things.

    I never had much patience for religion growing up, but I have changed my view over the last decade or so. I think watching how my Mother In Law dealt with her husband's death really got me to think about it. There were so many people from her church around to help her out. I may not get all the doctrine, but it was heartwarming to see the sense of community she had with other people from her church. It was a stark contrast to how my mother dealt with my dad's death.
     
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    I was grew up in a Catholic household. Not overbearing or anything, but Sunday School and Church were expected. I'm a bit lapsed now out of laziness and as a reaction to the sex abuse scandals. But when I do go, I kind of enjoy attending Mass. You get to hear a decent message, and even if you space out, it allows you some time with your thoughts without any distractions. Despite the many, flaws (and outright crime) within the bureaucracy of the Church over the years whether it be sex abuse scandals, fraud, etc., I still think its a net positive in the world, especially since its the largest non-government health care provider among many other charitable efforts.

    I think Pope Francis is a pretty good leader of the organization. Pope Benedict was essentially a living anachronism of the pre-Vatican II era.
     
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    I went to church almost every Sunday when growing up. My junior and senior year of high school I worked for the church (I ran the sound board for Sunday services, weddings and funerals). Since moving out of my parents house I have only returned for weddings and funerals. I ended up never returning for a variety of reasons that don't really matter.

    The only thing I really liked about it was the sense of community. If someone was down the congregation would help lift them up. I'm under the opinion that you can make the world better without living under constant threats from the sky wizard if we don't comply. If I were to attend church now it would be with the Unitarian Universalists because my beliefs tend to fall in line with their doctrine (if you can call it that). As it stands now I only get two days a week off, and I will be damned if I am going to spend the first half of one of those days every week in a church.