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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Kampf Trinker

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    Nah, keep them hurdled in their dump. Whenever they force them into a new area or build new housing projects for people like this the whole area is obliterated in a matter of months. Just drive one of those feed the poor trucks by every so often and they can all stuff themselves with hot dogs while their eyes gyrate in both directions looking for the next crack fix. When one of them gets a job and shows up for a whole month straight put them on the list for sane people housing assistance.
     
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    Sheesh.

    There should be an IQ test for voters.

    "With nearly half a million registered members, the American Independent Party is bigger than all of California's other minor parties combined. The ultraconservative party's platform opposes abortion rights and same sex marriage, and calls for building a fence along the entire United States border.

    But a Times investigation has found that a majority of its members have registered with the party in error. Nearly three in four people did not realize they had joined the party."

    http://static.latimes.com/american-independent-party-california-voters/#nt=oft12aH-1la1
     
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    Well, I guess it can't officially be called yet, but with Hillary taking New York that's pretty much the ball game. I can't see Sanders coming back at this point. I would say unless something comes out of the closet, but look at the shit she already has on her record. I can't for the life of me understand the appeal of Hillary. Not so much just because of the policies she claims to stand for today, but the way she delivers her speeches and blows off questions about her integrity. Not even spins or dodges, just fuck that, I don't want to answer you. She seems to come across as so unlikable, and I can't think of another candidate that compares. Sure, I could ramble all day about how Cruz, Trump, or even Sanders are crazy, but they have a natural charisma that shows when they're talking.

    She's certainly the favorite to take the presidency at this point. A lot can happen from now until November, but whoever the Republicans field will be fighting an uphill battle.



    Her career is full of dozens of examples like that. I don't think she gives a fuck about anything, and I'm really not sure if it's a lesser of evils thing or people are actually oblivious enough to believe her.
     
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    I honestly feel like Hillary supporters are either, as I mentioned before, the "YASSSS KWEEN" girl power types, or those who REALLY loved Bill Clinton. Or just totally policy driven and character blind. She's completely fake, startling dishonest, and entirely unrelatable. She takes pandering to a completely different level. This recent story about hot sauce is meaningless, but still ridiculous as a piece of the total story. At this point I'm waiting for a lie about Chelsea's name origins for some new piece of demographic targeting.

    And that's not even getting into the Clinton Foundation fuckery.

    Its gonna be really annoying to have her be a milestone president.
     
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    Her entire life has been dedicated to the pursuit of power.
    Nothing good can come of that.
     
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    I'm supporting Clinton because Sanders has done zero to convince me to support him at this point. In fact as the campaign has unfolded I've become more firm in my support for Clinton than Sanders; if someone would've asked me last year at this time who I was going to support I was mostly undecided with a very slight lean toward Clinton. However the way Sanders has run his campaign has really pissed me off. The nail in the coffin for me is what I posted a couple weeks ago - the fact that he's running on the Democratic ticket but doing nothing to support down-ticket Democratic races. I think we're all educated enough to understand that the real power of the President regarding domestic matters is a lot more limited than exists in the common narrative, and that if real change is what you're after you've got to get control of Congress - which is why those down-ticket races are so important. The way I see it regardless of whether Clinton or Sanders wins the Presidency they're not going to be able to get much done with the existing GOP controlled Congress - though I believe Clinton would do a better job than Sanders at dealing with it.

    Furthermore, for all the talk about Clinton's dishonesty and lack of character, the way Sanders has run his campaign has, at this point, convinced me that he's full of shit. Sanders has said, when answering how he intends to actually enact the legislation he's proposing - given the Congressional make-up - that:


    Well if he really believes what he's saying here, when why the is he running on the Democratic ticket and not as an independent? If he really believes there will be a revolution whose impact will be such that it will allow him to overwhelm Congressional obstructionism, you would think that implies he would have enough popular support to run on his own ticket without needing the support of the Democratic establishment. But the fact he is running on the Democratic ticket tells me he's trying to play politics and hedge his bets in case his 'millions of people' don't stand up the way he needs them to on election (and beyond?) day.

    For someone running on a platform of ideological purity, him trying to game the system strikes me as hypocritical and dishonest. Shimmered mentioned that Clinton's dedicated her life to the pursuit of power. Yet when I look at the way Sanders has run his campaign I'm seeing someone who's merely trying to win the Presidency, even if it means sabotaging his ability to actually get anything accomplished if he gets it. I'll take the competent candidate with a checkered past over Lyle Lanley, thanks.
     
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    More than any other cycle, the Democratic party is fighting tooth and nail against the far left elements of the party, who support Sanders. The support for Hillary Clinton is probably more of a rejection of that than genuine support of her ideas. They saw what happened to the Republicans and are trying to not make the same mistake. Hillary Clinton is a terrible choice, but electing her wont crater the Democratic Party the way that a Trump nomination will to the Republicans.
     
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    Too little too late? Probably. But to say he's done nothing isn't true. With the GOP very publically shitting themselves, who would be surprised if there's a Democratic super majority? It looks to me that having an R next to your name on the ballot may as well be political poison, at least during this election cycle. And even if that isn't the case, Sanders's middle class platform is really appealing and crosses party lines. Who wants to be the member of Congress who goes against that?

    I guess what I'm saying is that I believe Sanders isn't focusing on down ticket races because voter anger is so high that they'll vote out everybody Republican.

    Don't hate the player, hate the game. The way elections are set up now, if you're not a Democrat or Republican, you aren't getting on a ballot. Both parties have done a masterful job of preventing outside candidates from running because of the perception that you have to win primaries to become a presidential candidate. Remember, both parties are private entities that can set the rules up however they want. The only thing that matters to them is their continuing monopoly on the political process, not the will of the voters.
     
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    Likeability aside, I dont think Trump would be a terrible President, but I think the time to make an effort to wrest the party back from the Evangelical Right was 4 years ago. The writing was on the wall in 2012 when they didnt show up to elect Romney, who was by all accounts, a perfectly fine candidate and should have won. Now those elements have taken root as the "party base" and the party leaders dont know how to deal with it, especially not in an election year. So now you have moderate Republicans looking around going, "What the fuck?" The party will fracture when they lose the election.

    The Democrats are heading down the same path in a different direction, they are just a few steps back and are starting to realize what the outcome will look like.
     
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    My biggest concern about Sanders supporters is if Bern-Bern loses the nomination, do these people show up to vote for the rest of the ballot? The youth vote, to me, seems mercurial to the rest of the ticket. Do they show up to write-in Bernie, or take their ball and go home like I believe Trump supporters would? This is a critical election for Congress and Senate. Dems need heads in the booths. Not only that, but local judges and sheriff are a big deal, at least down here. Our sheriff is crazy pants. Not Arpaio levels, but definitely pushing that authoritarian presence. Every week we are seeing articles about abuse and denial of civil rights payouts to innocent and/or unarmed suspects. It'd be nice to see some change on that level. Which won't happen if people don't bother to show up to vote.
     
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    This is the exact mentality I hate, and one of the reasons the GOP is dominating at the state level. Thinking that there might be a Democratic supermajority without an absolutely enormous effort at the state level or that Bernie only needs be elected and the rest will take care of itself is comically naive.

    Except this is wrong. Anyone can get on the ballot in every state; This site estimates 900,000 signatures would be needed for 2016. If Bernie's plan was that millions of people were going to rise up and support him, what was stopping him from getting the signatures necessary to run as an independent? Then he wouldn't have had to concern himself with Democratic party nomination rules.
     
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    Except that it would be a completely wasted effort. If Bernie decides to run as an independent and by some stroke of luck won 269 electoral votes, Hillary won 231, and Cruz won only his home state of Texas and gets 38 votes, then Cruz would be the president. Why? Because without a majority of electoral votes, the presidential election is sent to the House, who would of course elect the candidate of their own party. A truly viable and competitive third-party candidate who can actually win a few states will almost always ensure victory for the majority party in the house. If Congress were split like in 2006, then we would have a Republican president with a Democratic vice president, since the VP would be elected by the Senate.
     
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    I think if Sanders flips script and starts supporting the establishment candidate it will contradict his entire "revolution" message.
    I really think the Hillary Hate is underestimated by a good bit. People who will never vote republican but also won't vote for Hillary are going to have more an impact than some really realize.
     
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    Breaking News

    1000 people shot in Chicago since Jan 1st
     
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    That's more than nine per day. On track for 3250 in 2016 and we're just hitting the warm season. What. The fuck. Is this a concentrated area, like VICE made it out to be or spread over the city? That is crazy. That's fucking war.
     
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    It's 1006 now.

    This is the site that keeps track: http://heyjackass.com/

    Their count is a little different then the "Official" count because they include self defense and police shootings.
     
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    HOW is he pragmatic when it comes to foreign policy? By wanting to build a border wall, and making Mexico pay for it (they won't pay for it, by the way)?
    I live in one of the counties where the existing border fences are, and IT HASN'T DONE JACK SHIT, AND IT NEVER WILL. It was a huge waste of tax-payer money, and NOBODY who lives in the counties affected wanted it. Not even my dad, who is as conservative as they get, thought it was a good idea.
     
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    I've decided since my vote won't mean shit in Texas (tell me again why we don't do popular vote?) I'm just gonna vote Gary Johnson, or whomever is on the Libertarian ticket, vote Dem on all the down ticket races, then go home and curse at the tv as someone I can't stand becomes president.

    Fuck this election.... But then again, thank god or whomever you believe or don't believe in that at least we live in a country where we do get to vote. Even if it doesn't mean shit. I feel like my vote in TX is simply honoring the soldiers who died for my right to cast it.