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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Kampf Trinker

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    If we're talking about crazy legislators, Utah GOPer says access to pornography violates his right not to view it.

    Can I kill him then? Because I feel like he's violating my first amendment right to not view something so stupid.

    Just kidding. This is kind of awesome and since it's Utah it doesn't affect me.

    So many questions:

    - Why did you go from libraries to McDonald's?
    - Do you actually think McDonald's is 'delivering porn'? Because that's fucking awesome.
    - How did you relate watching something to taking a harmful substance into your body? Wouldn't eating at McDonald's be more like smoking than watching porn?
    - How many people do you think watch porn in public?
    - Have you ever, even once in your life, walked into one of these establishments and been bombarded with porn?
    - So do you believe if all the other patrons flip to pornhub.com and turn their screens to you you're just stuck there? I ask because you talk about families and children watching porn together at these places like it's a prison or something.
    - What does this have to do with the first amendment?
    - I'm sure you're going with the religious argument regarding the last question so, what does the bible have to do with porn? I know there's all kind of nonsense about chastity in there, but are you not allowed to see other people naked? I honestly can't remember.
    - How many people have you sucked off in the bathroom? I'm asking because it's really becoming a thing for the GOPers that are into this kind of legislation/kink.
    - How do you feel about strip clubs? I know you don't have to walk into one, but you could accidentally walk into one and have your rights violated, right?
    - Do you not realize that if people are watching porn at restaurants and other public establishments the staff is going to tell them turn it off? The basis for your legislation is already in effect.
    - This isn't really about coming up with some insane bullshit reason to ban porn, is it? You wouldn't do that, would you?
     
  2. toddamus

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    So does Trump have any chance whatsoever at winning? All I can really notice about him now is that he acts like a middle school bully and I'm thinking Clinton is probably too smart for that and hopefully stop paying attention to him.
     
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    Based on what I've learned in my life so far, I can almost guarantee that this Utah state senator is a hypocrite of the highest form who regularly watches the most depraved porn on the web. He never misses a Sunday at church though.
     
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    In the primaries though. The general election is a different animal. He can be bombastic all he wants, but when it comes down to the last 6 months before election day, he has to get his shit together as a candidate if he wants to be taken seriously otherwise Clinton, as a horrible a human being as she is, will steam roll him. At this point, Id say its 60/40 in Clinton's favor.
     
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    I'd like to put a filter on my TV to cutout all the political banter and bullshit over the next few months. Almost seems like things are pretty solidified. I doubt Trump is going to dramatically change over the next few months and I doubt Hilarly will mind attacking the soft target.
     
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    Yes I'm sure an entire lifetime of buffoonish dickery has just been a matter of the media happening to catch him at just the right time and blowing it out of proportion.
     
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    Sometimes I'm glad people like Bill Hicks and George Carlin died, so they didn't see how bad it truly got.

    Could Trump be president? Yes.
    Could Trump be a good president? Nope. Everything else aside, he's not really even a good executive. His numerous trips to bankruptcy court indicate that.
    Could Trump be president for long? Nope. I think he would fuck up something procedural, yet just important enough for Americans to care (remember the Lewinski scandal started as a Republican witch hunt) and he'd get impeached. Also, who in either party wants to work with him at this point? We'd be electing someone that had zero political support into a Congress that spent much of the last 8 years obstructing everything from the Oval Office. The Trump presidency would be a colossal joke.

    I think Hillary would be an excellent president, much like her husband, but almost universally hated. She would get things done and if you think of it from the perspective of the most capable hire, she has the best resume. The problem is, are those things we the people want done?

    Bernie would be an exact replica of Jimmy Carter: good man, bad politician. He would get a handful of things done, and then have them obliterated with a pendulum swing election.

    Ted Cruz...should go fuck a bucket of glass shards. He's Canadian, and after all the birther shit they gave Obama, it's absurd that isn't a bigger issue. He wants the Wal-Mart Western version of Sharia law and the time of the religious right swaying the republicans is over. It might work for governors in Utah, Louisiana and Alabama, but not on the national stage. He's like George W. Bush, but instead of stupid, we get creepy. Nope.

    So, if you read 0 books: Trump
    If you've read 1 book (the bible): Cruz
    2 books (The Bible and Atlas Shrugged): Kasich
    3 books: Clinton
    4 books or more: Sanders

    I also think that at a certain point, Americans want to back a winner. Trump's underdog schtick will wear off quickly when people see how badly he would lose in a general election.
     
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    The media's part is that they give him free air time exactly BECAUSE he says utterly insane, bombastic shit. Nothing is taken out of context. He speaks without a teleprompter because he literally speaks like a child. Which is possibly the only brilliant thing about his campaign because he has shored up low information, undereducated voters who believe he's the first to engage them. He has zero debate skills, most of his ideas are either borderline or outright illegal, our allies despise him, his plan to reduce the deficit is to blackmail other countries with our military force. The list of stupid shit keeps going. And if that's just bluster, why believe anything else out of his mouth?

    Hillary will eat him alive IF he even shows up for the debates. His core base of shit kickers would love that petulance, but the other 75% of the voting public would drop him like a poop diaper. Like they did the last time he skipped a debate because he was butthurt over a girl reporter. His positions are untenable. The election cycle, like Juice says, is a different animal where he WILL be scrutinized and personally challenged. He does not like that. We are in for some huge, public meltdowns.
     
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    I have always wanted to invite these morons into my office and watch their reaction when someone comes in expecting their 7th child from their 4th baby daddy and they have no plans for employment or using any method of birth control. So, asshole, you think abortion is still bad? You're going to tell me with a straight face it's ok this person keeps having children she can't afford and absolutely refuses to use birth control? Go back into your hole and shut up.
     
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    That is exactly what they have been doing and plan to continue doing. The people who like the ideas of these laws do not actually care about the child or the families. If they worry about the drain on the local/state economies their answer is invariably cut the support programs. Problem solved. Fetuses are saved, moochers taken off the dole, and plenty of more people live in a food deficit environment because they pay the price for their wickedness and reap the consequences for refusing to help themselves. Then the whole cycle starts again. Psychologically speaking, this mess is now "normal." This is the community mean.

    Generational welfare is an issue. Nobody has done shit to re-engage people who have obviously been left behind in society. Their answer is always to reduce, reduce, reduce on services and education. Except jail time. That gets increased. Now we have more prisoners than the world combined, and more juvenile prisoners than anywhere else in the world. Generation of people locked up, stigmatized, and ostracized from a legal workforce. It's been 30 years. This model does not work. At the same time, STOP FUCKING WITHOUT BIRTH CONTROL. I can see why it is so hard to empathize. Again this goes back to my idea of normalcy. Doing everything wrong and stupid, just like your parents did.
     
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    I find it cringe worthy or at least uncomfortable to say but these are the people who should be sterilized either temporarily or permanently. Abortion views wouldn't matter so much then and overall it would probably save money over abortions additional public assistance for the extra kids. Actually I think anyone on assistance, food stamps, wic, welfare, or whatever should be temporarily sterilized, permanently if they are on for more than a year (whatever constitutes an acceptable time period). They can't take care of the family they have they shouldn't be growing their family.
     
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    My Mom was the director of Children's Services(Ohio version of CPS) for 20 something years. She would give her employees a day off if they could get a client to get their tubes tied/vasectomy. Government forced sterilization is a bad thing. But I'm fine with them providing the money and resources for them to do it voluntarily.
     
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    Can't we just put saltpeter in the water supply? It works in the army!
     
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    Well, like, forced sterilization is something that barbarians do, but I always thought a free long-term birth control like an IUD or implant should be an option for anyone on government assistance if they don't have insurance that will cover it already because of the economic benefits it would provide. But that's just giving those government-mooching slutwhores more handouts so that'll never happen.
     
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    Republicans, or the religious right at least, could stand to be more pragmatic. Their stance on sex education, birth control abortion, and welfare don't fit together and don't make sense. They don't want to teach sex education in school, they don't want to talk about birth control, they don't want to allow abortion for the women they failed to educate, and they don't want the government to support the children born to those women. Everyone is just supposed to be a perfect abstinent snowflake until marriage, like Bristol Palin. I strongly support government-funded birth control for whoever wants it, whether they're on government assistance or not. Hell, I think we should pay women to be on birth control if that's what it takes, as long as nobody is ever forced to utilize it.
     
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    Holy fuck. This whole thing comes down to (for me) one simple question. As the "leader of the free world" which will have a workable foreign policy? Will it be Trump's TV-bred "Fuck you, I'm in charge", or will it be the former secretary of state?

    Honestly, before any of the candidates declared, I knew that Hillary was a lock. She's going to win. Nobody gives a shit about, or even understands her past criminal bullshit. Trump is a clown, and the fact that the republican party has even let him get this far speaks to how out of touch with common sense they are
     
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    Everyone has insurance now and most if not all of the lower income people I was referring to would be on medicare (kinda redundant now that everyone has insurance) so it really wouldn't be a handout. It has to be cheaper than feeding, clothing, and housing additional children. Not to mention the legal costs when they get arrested later. This is really like the bathroom mess going on, we're talking about a very small portion of the population but an IUD or implant could be given to anyone on assistance (a bit larger portion of the population) and would do some good economically. I'm not sure what barbarians would actually do, my money is killing anyone who is a drain on society, but it's hardly barbaric to insist that those who are in a bad spot in their lives and are receiving public assistance don't make it worse.
     
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    A program like this was tested in Colorado and was highly effective. Then the republican party took control of the state legislature and ended the program. The republican party often tries to control everyones morality and it can be very counter productive to our society.

    http://gazette.com/struggling-color...hought-says-health-department/article/1561708
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...irth-control-success-teen-pregnancy/29818499/
     
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    My wife works for a "Catholic" company. They won't pay for her birth control of any kind. It's pretty ridiculous.
     
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    I hadn't heard of this, thanks for posting the articles. One would think that a 5 million investment to save 80 million would be a no brainer regardless of political affiliations.