How many car related deaths occur on private property with an unlicensed and unregistered vehicle though? Id wager its a small fraction of the total number of car related deaths. I don't think the same thing can be said about firearms related deaths (excluding suicides) Constitutional concerns aside both are tools with the potential to do serious injury and/or kill. One is highly regulated and requires training, registration, licensing, testing and insurance and the other can be had in a matter of minutes (depending on where you live) with none of those things. I love guns as much as the next guy (and far more than most of my fellow countrymen), but i don't think just anyone should be able to get their hands on one. Thats the cultural divide though I guess, for all our similarities i'm not American so i'm never really going to 'get it'
Fucking eh wow. I'm genuinely amazed more people on here aren't interested in this. I wish New Mexico and Mississippi and West Virginia would succeed, that'd help things in the Union I think.
I've thought Europe is intrinsically nationalistic. This notion or cooperation that has existed after WWII is starting to fade and the continent is starting to resort back to its nature.
Here's a running spread sheet on voting results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...nweLEayc3tRgtBxIDCotABtUIX0/htmlview?sle=true
I got ticketed once for driving a motorcycle without a license and without insurance while on private property.
The point I'm making is that there aren't that many differences between a guy shooting up a place and a guy driving a car through a bunch of people. And yet the only outrage is against guns, not cars. To me, they're both equally as guilty of exactly the same crime.
When it comes right down to it, it's about enforcement. Vancouver enacted a law that said everyone on a bike had to wear a helmet, and the people cheered. Then nobody got a ticket, because it was a waste of time and effort to enforce, and nothing changed. Except that there's now a law on the books about wearing a helmet when out riding your bike. You can pass all the gun laws you want, but if they're not enforceable, they won't work. Or they'll target the wrong demographic... which are the people who are law-abiding citizens.
And the Dow is dropping like a rock in reaction. It's down 504 points in after hours trading. Tomorrow could be a bloodbath.
Yeah i get that, my point is if you want to actually use it the way the vast majority of people use a car (i.e. on the roads) and not just look at it sitting in your driveway you need all those things and i think there should be some kind of equivalent for gun ownership rather than the situation you have now. Hows that work in reality for the US? Maybe you restrict ammo sales to people who have done the required training/testing/licensing? After all a gun is nothing but a fancy looking stick if you have no ammo. Is there anything in the constitution about a right to mass produced ammunition? You could still make your own which would keep the spirit of the 2nd amendment intact (and is probably more in-line with the original intent when all they had was muskets anyway), but i know from personal experience (I hand-load for competition) that its a time consuming process and not for everyone (and requires investment in the tools and components to do it safely). Could that work? (im genuinely curious here, not trying to troll anyone)
From about 930 EST tonight: "The votes aren't even close to all in yet, but the early count (43 of 382 counting areas reported) shows the "leave" camp with about a seven point lead. FTSE 100 (NYSEARCA:EWU) futures are lower by 4.7%, and Dax (NYSEARCA:EWG) futures by 3.1%. S&P 500 (NYSEARCA:SPY), Nasdaq 100 (NASDAQ:QQQ), and DJIA (NYSEARCA:DIA) futures are all off 1%. The pound (NYSEARCA:FXB) is lower by 2.8% vs. the dollar, and the euro (NYSEARCA:FXE) is down 0.9%. The yen (NYSEARCA:FXY) is higher by 1.2%. Asian stock markets are open for Friday trade, and they're just modestly lower." Dow was up 1.3% today, 230 points. I imagine a lot of that was futures trading. Anyone with a bit of cash on hand, here is your buying opportunity.
Sorry but I'm a complete idiot about the whole Brexit thing. I've tried to follow the news and read as much as I can about it and it still doesn't all quite make sense. Best I can tell our horse in the race is from a national security perspective (i.e. UK kinda filters all the important stuff to us, instead of us having to analyze it country by country). Is that basically it for how it affects us? Or is there more to it? I'm assuming there has to be a lot more to it right? Someone tell me I'm blind as hell and my reading comprehension fucking sucks.
Your blind as hell and your reading comprehension sucks. Unfortunately my reading comprehension sucks too. Its a complicated issue. It draws in national security, identity, sovereignty and apparently not economics. Economically it doesn't make sense for them to leave. From what I'm hearing and God help me this could be really inaccurate, pro-Brexit people want more say about what happens in their country. They don't want a multi-national group in Brussels dictating policies in jolly ole England. I think nationalism is a big factor and so is xenophobia. They want more control of their borders and don't want other countries dictating those policies. In many ways its not too different than what we see out here. There are groups of people that want to close the border and do things without international cooperation. I believe the sense of cooperation that was seen post WWII is fading and countries are resorting more to their intrinsic nationalistic identities. Europe has never been homogenous and cooperative. What we've seen in the last 70 years is a direct result of the most devastating war in human history. As memory of that war fades, the spirit that allowed cooperation is being replaced with fear and pride.
The British Pound has lost 11% against the dollar tonight, it's at it's lowest point since 1985 London stock futures are trading around 7% down. Japanese stock market index Nikkei 225 falls more than 1,000 points (6.2%)
Nikkei reacts: Down 1300+ (8%) I'm not sure when they halt trading, but I'll bet they're closing in on the mark. EDIT: And there it is: Reuters Business @ReutersBiz LATEST: Circuit breaker kicks in for Nikkei futures, trading halted for 10 minutes for Japan stock futures
Here's a question. Which country wants to exit next? Now there's an economic shitstorm. The way people are reacting in the comments you'd think the end of the world is imminent. Dow Futures down 600 points, 3.5%. http://money.cnn.com/data/premarket/ Crude down too. As if England will suddenly stop using oil. The financial world is full of idiots. This is going to be a mess. Every idiot on the planet will be selling.
What do you think would be the best way to enforce something that massive while appealing to both sides? I agree with enforcement. In your hometown here, they enforced helmets with tickets, printed in the paper and said on CFPL that cops were nailing people, now people wear helmets like they're seat belts here. Of course this city has a quarter the population of the Van. And as you know that here the people are FAR more square.
This is why I ultimately hesitate when considering how much I would support extensive gun restrictions. The drawbacks of private gun ownership may in reality outweigh the benefits, but at least guns have some legitimate uses: self-defense - for however rare it may be - and hunting. But as far as I can tell alcohol has zero societal benefits. None at all. And look what happened when we tried to outlaw it; prohibition practically created organized crime. Alcohol kills more than twice as many people each year than guns, and destroys countless families even when it doesn't kill, but we as a society have decided that we're willing to live with these destructive consequences so we can get our drink on. So if the effects of prohibition are anything to go by, we're not going to truly solve the problem of gun violence in the country until we as a society lose our interest in guns.