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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Superfantastic

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    I agree there's something going on there that's different, but I originally brought up Chicago mainly to highlight how it completely dwarfs the number of black people killed by cops, and I've never heard BLM address it. I certainly can't answer your question, but at the same time, your entire country is an outlier. One part of it had to be the worst.
     
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    I'm not sure how I feel about Bomby McBombface (may he live forever in the halls of Silicon Valhalla), but normal tactics like tear gas and flashbangs were rendered unusable because the suspect claimed to have bombs ready to detonate. Approaching him, even in a relatively disabled state, wasn't an option.
     
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    The guy had a gun in his hand and was shooting. He wasn't a "suspect", he was an active, lethal threat.

    They had every right to shoot him, with the intention of killing him, so I don't see what difference it makes that they did actually kill him in a manner that was done safely and without exposing anyone else.

    I commend them for thinking on their feet and using the tools at hand to improvise an end to the situation.
     
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    I wonder if there was a camera on the robot. Or if the robot itself exploded with the bomb.
     
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    It was(?) a bomb disposal robot so I kind of expect that it would have been outfitted with a camera, lights, microphones, etc, and I have no doubt that it was being recorded.

    That would be a hell of a video to watch, depending on what they saw.

    It could very well be that they just placed the explosive (which was probably the smaller, high-concussive kind they use to blow up bombs as a means of diffusing them) just around the corner and it was the concussion blast that killed him. It's not like they strapped a suicide vest to him and he blew chunks everywhere. Probably.
     
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    I agree with that sentiment to a point. I truly sympathize, and I'm wrestling a bit because it is somewhat rational. It is an impossible situation. I just think it is a super bad idea going in the future. It smells like one of those American Retard moments that will come back to haunt us. This will be an option repeated for no good reason in the future.

    I hope it was that. I really do.

    I also hope it was an explosive Candy Gram.

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    It was a parking garage right? So it's not like they want to leave a permanent stain all over the place. They might have used one of those door breaching charges or something. I can only imagine seeing a video of the guy watching a robot roll up on him having no idea what the fuck it was.
     
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    This is the kind of thing that they probably used:

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    Small, well lit, with a camera, so the operator can manoeuvre it into position and see what they're dealing with.
     
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    This was a "take this guy down as fast as you can" scenario. Shades of Charles Whitman, in the very state where that massacre occurred. This guy massacred cops. In a city where really, the police reform has been admirable and progressive enough that I caught wind on it two years ago. They have one of the best police chiefs in the country, and have actually taken action to reinstate Community Policing. Not like Oakland, New York, Cleveland or Denver that have had horrid performances and widespread corruption lately.

    Remember a while back when The Boston Army unloaded thousands of rounds at the boat where the bomber was hiding? Why not send in R2C4 to do the job next time? Hopefully nobody else in within the concussion radius.
     
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    2 Officers ambushed today. One in Missouri, one in Georgia.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...ri-georgia-injured-in-separate-ambush/2284702

    My greatest fear right now is some unstable Nazi wannabe is going to attack one of the many BLM rallies tonight or this weekend and set the whole powder keg off.
     
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    Maybe its lurid to think about, but I bet that guy had no idea what kind of gift that robot was had for him.
     
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    Be honest you read that somewhere.


    I think the queezy part for me, which BlackJesus seems to have doubts with too, is the precendent setting vis a vis the militerization of the police. I totally understand wanting to protect the cops lives but the same reasoning can also be extended to all of the militaristic equipment cops are now getting. Does your local department really need an MRAP? Well in the insanely small chance it needs to be used as intended/designed it will save police lives, which we all want. It also widens the gap between law enforcements and civilians that many feel lead to the issues we're facing. I don't know how we can have both. Also when it comes to the goverment claiming it'll only need something scary (like robot drone bombs or the NSA meta data collection) you always figure, and eventually it is revealed, they use it for much more nefarious purposes than ever claimed.
     
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    I think it sets a precedent for a very specific circumstance but I don't think it will be used very often at all. I feel this was a unique situation which would have guaranteed more police getting killed. There were no other bystanders around as collateral damage.

    I can't think of too many other situations where this would have been a good idea. It played out like a movie.
     
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    Five officers die protecting BLM protestors. The very next day tens of thousands of them are in the street yelling "Fuck the police!" and confronting officers.

    We're headed towards Martial Law.
     
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    Now wait just a minute. It all depends on whether he had replaced the stock or not. If it looks like the picture you posted, that's fine. If it has a black fiberglass stock with a thumbhole - EVIL ASSAULT RIFLE!!!

    In the interest of having an honest discussion though: It was almost certainly not 70 years old. The Chinese produced SKS's probably by the thousands or even millions in the '80's and '90's. I have a Chinese SKS which does have detachable magazines (30 rd.), fiberglass stock, a flash hider, and a bayonet lug. Most uneducated people would say it's an AK47 or and AR15. The article you linked is disingenuous though. The general public thinks of an assault rifle as an AR15, which is most commonly chambered in .223, which is less powerful than the 7.62x39. While it's factually correct, the article leads people to believe that "it's not a high-powered assault rifle" when in fact it's bigger. The root problem still is lack of knowledge and logic among the general public, and especially politicians, about firearms. Also, until we see photos of the actual weapon or read an eyewitness account, I'd be willing to bet a pretty large sum that his SKS looks a lot like mine.