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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Kubla Kahn

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    Reginald Denny is still alive. He fixes boats in Lake Havasu.
     
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    I stand corrected.

    I still think the lesson learned is to mow them the fuck over.

    It'd be interesting to see what he'd have to say about it today having been beaten almost to death.
     
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    Damn these people are thick.

    "We're exercising our first amendment rights! We're not doing anything illegal!"

    Uh....impeding interstate commerce is a crime, so yeah you are doing something illegal.

    "You fucking pigs pepper sprayed children!"

    What kind of idiot brings their kids to a protest, doesn't leave when the police tell them to, and let's them get pepper sprayed?
     
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    Protesters in Memphis have shut down the I-40 bridge over the Mississippi. And once again they think it's their legal right to do it.

    Live stream:

    EDIT: That stream took a shit.

    Here's another: http://wreg.com/on-air/live-streaming-wc/

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    Edit: Right Thread this time, or so I hope.

    Good God, American Brothers and Sisters, some of the sentiments in this thread make me incredibly sad. A gentle reminder:

    First off, the Supreme Court has essentially nullified the petition clause.

    Yes, protest is inconvenient. Yes, in some cases, it may violate city or state ordinances.

    So fucking what.

    I hear a lot of hate for the hippies, but you know what, at least they fucking stood for something. My generation? We've fallen for everything. We are an embarrassment. We were handed something pretty special and we pissed it away for never ending wars, cheap cell phones and reality tv.

    Thank fucking God someone still cares enough to get out there and do something. So long as it's peaceful. And for the vast majority of protests it has been just that.

    You want to know got the most votes this primary season? The pissed off at the government candidate (Trump/Sanders voters outnumber all others - think about that for a second).

    Black people should be pissed. We should ALL be pissed. Our government has militarized the police to fight a 'war' on drugs. They have conducted it exactly as a they would a war, and we all just sit around and parrot 'drugs are bad' like that fucking means something. We have police APCs, grenades, RPGS and military grade weapons and riot gear.

    There was another Amendment, let me think about it for a second, oh yeah, this one:

    So now you know what the Founding Fathers thought, exactly, of an occupying force.

    Wake the fuck up, America. The threat to your freedom isn't terrorism.

    The threat to your freedom is you. Your apathy, your ignorance, and your willingness to fall for tyrannical hate filled speech. Get smart, and get smart soon, or it won't matter anymore because someone will come along and tell you what to think, what to believe, but that's ok.

    You'll still be able to watch NASCAR and fireworks on the 4th and believe that you have Freedumb!

    The whole basis of America was questioning and challenging authority. Maybe let's give that a try as we don't seem to have been successful doing everything else recently.
     
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    So several countries are now issuing travel warnings for their residents visiting the US:

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...s/news-story/5aa076643aaa890e2c1dd12addc75ecb

    Honestly never thought id see that happen... Fucking hell, part of the reason we chose the US for our honeymoon was my wife felt a lot more safe and comfortable travelling/driving around the US than she would have in Europe (which was our other choice).
     
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    Did you read the article? The headline is almost as clickbaity as VI's post. 3 countries said just steer clear of any protests and the other said don't be confrontational and cooperate with police. Those are hardly travel warnings.
     
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    Yeah i did read it, thats why i linked it.

    If its being explicitly called out, when previously it wasnt, then yeah its a travel warning for that countries citizens.

    Those would normally be common sense approaches anywhere you travel and are generally not country specific warnings... it doesn't shock or concern you at all that other countries feel the need to explicitly call it out for the US now?
     
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    A lot of other first world countries have media that is getting almost as stupid as ours here. The journalists/politicians pushing this shit typically understand fuck all about what goes on over here. When I lived overseas the retardation I heard from some Europeans about 'what it's like in America' blew my mind.

    So no, in all honesty it doesn't concern me in the slightest, and if someone chooses not to visit because they're gullible enough to buy into a news story like that that's perfectly fine too. Unless you really think a small percentage of paranoid would be tourists are going to make or break our economy.

    FYI: China, Russia, and a few of the middle Eastern countries issue silly warnings, or ban imports from 'dangerous' products all the time for purely political reasons. Nations like New Zealand are mostly just being stupid.
     
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    Just to be clear these warnings wouldnt have affected my personal decision to travel to the US at all, what shocked me was that a stable western first world democracy (New Zealand) felt the need to update its citizens about the dangers in another stable western first world democracy (USA).

    As you say maybe it's just stupidity and NZ overreacting...

    Overreaction or not I'd be pretty shocked if the same thing happened to Australia, and I certainly wouldn't assume it would only affect a small percentage of paranoid tourists. Lots of people do take those travel warning seriously.
     
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    No it really is overreacting nonsense. It reminds me of the Bill Hicks joke "You turn on the news,WAR DISEASE OPPRESSION DEPRESSION! Outside, crickets."

    There was a March in my city yesterday. I'm not quite sure how I'll be able to leave my house in the morning.
     
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    Fuck you all, New Zealand isn't stupid. It's awesome. Disclaimer... I've been drinking all day again.
     
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    This post, written by a black police officer, is eloquent and factual:

    https://www.facebook.com/jay.stalien/posts/911372818974402

    You'll probably have to be logged onto Facebook to read it. For those who aren't credit goes to a fellow named Jay Stalien who appears to be a cop in Florida:

    I have come to realize something that is still hard for me to understand to this day. The following may be a shock to some coming from an African American, but the mere fact that it may be shocking to some is prima facie evidence of the sad state of affairs that we are in as Humans.

    I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.

    It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.

    As time went by in my law enforcement career, I quickly began to realize something. I remember the countless times I stood 2 inches from a young black man, around my age, laying on his back, gasping for air as blood filled his lungs. I remember them bleeding profusely with the unforgettable smell of deoxygenated dark red blood in the air, as it leaked from the bullet holes in his body on to the hot sidewalk on a summer day. I remember the countless family members who attacked me, spit on me, cursed me out, as I put up crime scene tape to cordon off the crime scene, yelling and screaming out of pain and anger at the sight of their loved ones taking their last breath. I never took it personally, I knew they were hurting. I remember the countless times I had to order new uniforms, because the ones I had on, were bloody from the blood of another black victim…of black on black crime. I remember the countless times I got back in my patrol car, distraught after having watched another black male die in front me, having to start my preliminary report something like this:

    Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.

    I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone “did you see who did it”, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, “Fuck the Police, I aint no snitch, Im gonna take care of this myself. This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.

    I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, “Make sure you come back home to us”. I always replied, “I will”, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me “Uncle Tom”, and “wanna be white boy”, and I couldn’t understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldn’t understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called …I was there. Every time someone died….I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their lives…I was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that question…Why was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.

    I spoke to members of the community and listened to some of the complaints as to why they hated cops. I then did research on the facts. I also presented facts to these members of the community, and listened to their complaints in response. This is what I learned:

    Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.

    Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) …will ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. It’s called Demographics

    Complaint: More black people get arrested than white boys.

    Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

    Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.

    Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.

    Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

    Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we don’t need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.

    The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black man….the more I realized.

    I haven’t slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldn’t help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?

    All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”. I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, “Stay Alive” as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 – 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum. I realized that there are even cops, COPS, duly sworn law enforcement officers, who are supposed to be decent investigators, who will publicly go on the media and call other white cops racist and KKK, based on a video clip that they watched thousands of miles away, which was filmed after the fact, based on a case where the details aren’t even known yet and the investigation hasn’t even begun. I realized that most in the African American community refuse to look at solving the bigger problem that I see and deal with every day, which is black on black crime taking hundreds of innocent black lives each year, and instead focus on the 9 questionable deaths of black men, where some were in the act of committing crimes. I realized that they value the life of a Sex Offender and Convicted Felon, [who was in the act of committing multiple felonies: felon in possession of a firearm-FELONY, brandishing and threatening a homeless man with a gun-Aggravated Assault in Florida: FELONY, who resisted officers who first tried to taze him, and WAS NOT RESTRAINED, who can be clearly seen in one of the videos raising his right shoulder, then shooting it down towards the right side of his body exactly where the firearm was located and recovered] more than the lives of the innocent cops who were assassinated in Dallas protecting the very people that hated them the most. I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken shit and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100’s of years ago, when most of the white people today weren’t even born yet. I realized that some in the African American community’s idea of “Justice” is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American community lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.

    I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,... and it is still hard for me to understand…. to this day.

    I'm tempted to share that on Facebook, but I worry that I'm going to start a shitshow of, "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR!!!" on my feed.
     
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    As I was reading that, I was thinking, maybe he's going too far here, but this reminded me of a post I read from a BLM blogger yesterday, and I'm actually not sure if it is going too far. The blogger's complaint was that no white people would take police brutality seriously (not even remotely true) and if they did care they would be marching with the BLM. But remember the protests in Missouri were full of white people, and as the movement grew they were increasingly treated like shit. Not by everyone, or even most, but it's the whole problem of how it takes thousands of workers to build the WTC and a few assholes flying a plane can topple it. The movement just became more radicalized, even started booing O'Malley for saying "All lives matter" which made more people start dismissing them, which in turn made the movement more radicalized, and so on.

    For me it's kind of like this. If you're going to tell me I need to believe this or that, or do something specific, but then turn around and tell me my opinion doesn't matter because I'm white, and therefore clueless or whatever other dismissive accusation you can go fuck yourself. You also can't pretend other factors like black on black crime are irrelevant to the issue, or just refuse to address it and then call me racist. It's like an unemployed guy with six child support payments. He starts bitching about the wage gap and job market, which is fine, but as soon as you suggest maybe he lays off the jack daniels and tries actually filling out an application and picking up the fucking phone when the company calls him -- that's when he starts slinging feces at you.
     
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    http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality

    This is an interesting take on Hillary's appeal, for better or worse. It went a long way in answering the questions I have about her as the front-runner (her decision-making, her animosity towards the media and her process), and explains a great deal about her career.

    I will say this: the media has fucked with this woman for decades, and I recall the skewering she took in a media-fed, Republican witch hunt that was the Lewinski scandal. In reading this, I wonder if essentially having her marriage derailed in front of CSPAN cameras empowered this "go fuck yourself, Press Corps" attitude. Also, all of the scandals (Benghazi, the emails, etc) that pale in comparison to some other political shenanigans make me think she's been a target for a reason: she gets shit done.

    At any rate, worth a read.
     
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    This is why you don't block bridges and interstates to protest:

    ""We received a call there was a child needing medical attention stuck in traffic up on the bridge and due to the protest going on the bridge the family was not able to get through traffic to get him to Le Bonheur,” Harrell said."

    http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/32421175/family-with-sick-child-was-stuck-on-bridge-during-rally

    EDIT: Also...5 people have just been arrested in DC for firing on police.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/12/police-arrest-5-people-suspected-firing-shots-at-officers0.html
     
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    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/police-shootings-traffic-stops-excessive-fines

     
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    Aside from the irritation I have for asinine bullshit fines like these (quick, ask me if I live in a HOA), my immediate feeling is that the reason why local governments had to institute these fines was due to cutting taxes to unsustainable rates. Thanks to powerful dipshits like Grover Norquist, Republicans are unwilling to commit political suicide by raising them. This leaves Democrats in a predicament. If they raise taxes, this gives Republicans political ammunition during the next election. If they do nothing, they watch a bloc of their constituents go to debtor's prison over unpaid pants too low tickets, further weakening their chances for re-election. It'd be brilliant if it wasn't so evil.
     
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    No sarcasm, I really did let my irritation with Republicans get to me.

    The thing I'm really railing against is local governments making poor people poorer. I'm even more unhappy that these fines appear to be affecting more minorities than not.