But Seriously...

Good comeback, bro. I'm not even really trying to defend her though? I certainly don't want to feel the need to. I'm not enamored with her. I am enamored with pointing out that it is fucking dumb to not vote for her in the face of Trump.

I'm not defending her as a liberal. I'm defending her as "Not Trump." Don't convince me that Hillary would be a bad choice, Kampf. I agree. She is a bad one...but not compared to your boy Trump.

Make the case that Donald Trump is the better one.

That's a fair point. I don't know those processes.

However, suing him could bring him attention he doesn't deserve. And if he was so worried about her then why not write the book in 2008? He also seems to have a habit of lying as his book stories contradict testimony under oath made for the Starr investigation (not enthused about buzzfeed as a source, but they broke the story and it is straightforward; I can't find his response to those allegations anywhere) But really this guy just seems to be capitalizing on his 15 minutes of fame with a hit job book that will be snapped up because everyone has their blinders on. Uh oh, that dreaded conservative bias again. Is it even conservative bias when it's more akin to conservatives lapping up conspiracy theories like a dog stumbling into an oasis?

And if this book was solid why wouldn't a "Mainstream Media" outlet pick it up? It would result in so many damn clicks it would be worth their time...if it wasn't mostly bullshit. I

When it comes to determination of who might make a good President, whose judgment should we trust? Famous historians like David McCullough, Ron Chernow, Robert Caro? I think they are uniquely suited to give insight with the past having a tendency to repeat itself, or just rhyme or whatever. A candidate is so bad and so terrifying historians feel compelled to shed their objectivity and ostensibly sacrifice millions of readers and $$$$ to say that, "Hey, wait a minute everyone. This is even worse than we could have imagined."

I just don't understand how this is even a conversation.

 

How is Trump my boy? I just said a couple pages back I'm probably voting Johnson.

Edit: But while we are on the subject. That article you posted was largely just more alarmist bullshit, comparing Trump to the KKK and the nazis. The scandals Hillary wraps herself in are actually real, not hypothetical links to history's bad guys.

 

Probably? What's holding you back?

I'm still interested though. Trump v. Hillary: who is your choice right now?

 

Neither. If I was forced to choose I'd go with Trump. I've posted why I can't stand Hillary dozens of times. I like Trump better on trade and education. I like that he calls Muslim extremists what they are and that he'll mock SJWs for annoying buffoons they've become. I also like that he's outside the establishment and is less likely to shape policy around corporate hand outs, which we know Hillary will do.

That's not to say I like Trump much at all, but there is a chance he stands for the things he says. I know for damn sure that Hillary does not.

 

Congress can either block nearly all of the president's domestic measures, defund them, or draft new laws to override it.

The biggest recourse would be impeachment, which to date has never happened. Nixon would have been impeached, but chose to step down first.

 

Collective you, remember. I don't remember everyone's backgrounds. Lower-middle class is still wealth btw compared to abject poverty. Huge differences. Did you ever go hungry as a kid? Or were you ever homeless? And lower-middle class where and compared to whom? Lower-middle class Delaware is a lot different than lower-middle class New Mexico, but no matter.

I grew up lower-middle class and was pretty much blind to poverty. I was rich compared to those around me. Then I was a low-income apartment complex manager in a town on an Indian reservation, and I taught for 4 years in a Title 1 school. I'm no expert, but I've seen and dealt with my fair share. For example, I know how much kids get fucked over because of things like tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of education budgets.

That's the relevant bit. You know it's a cycle, and still are seemingly okay with punishing those faultless within it. That's my big beef with conservatism as a whole. Not that I'm going to change your mind about that.

Huh? That's not irrelevant when discussing attitudes and impulses towards the poor. This isn't a hard science. Most of what is discussed in this thread is "nebulous."

 

Interesting to hear what some authors and film makers who study dead Presidents think about a single character in this election. I'm sorry but I don't see how authors and filmmakers, whom have never governed have any authority to speak on this subject. I would also like to hear them draw parallels to past politicians who had created a political machine to the level of the Clinton Foundation. An organization whose sole intention is political corruption.....er, maybe that isn't fair. Whose sole intention is political access for monied interests both foreign and domestic. I'm interested in what these old historians draw for a parallel there; I'm sure it will be far less sensational than the statements made about Trump. Maybe they could couple that with the sleazy partisan politics of her party and other scandals she has been involved with along the way to and give us a full picture of what past president had a comparable aura around them that screamed "leader" to them.

 

I think I can help with this.

I make a good wage. The government takes some of that money in the form of taxes. The government then gives some of that money to poor people. Poor people are seen as lazy sacks of shit. The government gives them my money even though they sit around all day and do nothing.

I think it is a jealousy issue. They don't work, they get money. I work, I don't get anything for free, etc. It took me a long time to get away from that mindset.

 

I'm asking this as a legitimate question:
If trump were to win, what are the odds he finishes out his term?

Everyone has seen the before and after pictures of presidents, and as much as everyone from the opposite party attacks each president for taking too much time off, it's a draining job. Maybe I'm wrong but I really think he got into this thing as a publicity stunt, but because the Republican Party nominees were as flawed as they are it just snowballed and he never had a good chance to exit. But, six months or a year in when he's on four hours of sleep for a week straight because there's tensions in Russia and everyone's complaining about the job he's doing already i would not be surprised if he's trying to resign.

 

Same here.

People don't seem to take into consideration that, generally speaking, being poor fucking sucks. Even if their monthly income is padded by the government, the quality of life and limited number of choices about basically everything makes poverty a ridiculously not ideal situation.

 

In honesty? Very high. Let me explain:

- His House of Representatives will fight everything he proposes that is too batshit; admittedly this is also what I figured would happen if Sanders got into the POTUS position, albeit he'd be ruined on different shores and bills.
- We've had absolutely irrelevant, corrupt or lunatic Presidents before; Benjamin Harrison and Warren Harding spring to mind.
- He's got an inflated sense of narcissism and people like that are killed, they don't kill themselves. In other words, he'd have to be dragged out of the position like a fat toddler throwing a tantrum in a Walmart candy aisle. Or literally killed.

 

That could also be due to the acoustics of the venue or possibly the way the crowd noise is mic'd. Sometimes, places are built so the crowd sounds louder(where the Seahawks play).

Just my 2 pesos.

 

It's a fucking joke. There's as much booing as there are cheers, the security guards are taking Sanders signs from people forcibly, and yeah, they put a fucking wall around the stage: