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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. toytoy88

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    You mean a guy that wrote a book admitting that he is a lying, manipulative, media shill wrote a reasonable, accurate article about politics? I'm sure it's fair and unbiased.

    I got a 10 reasons into it, and if by "Really good piece" you mean Huffington Post worthy, you are correct.
     
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    I'm no trump fan, but I also only made it ten posts in. He thinks trump gave money to nambla. Huffington Post wouldn't even publish this. There are plenty of legit reasons to not vote for him without resorting to Internet rumors.

     
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    Good fucking God. You're smarter than this. Not even CNN would publish that shit.

    I seriously don't like Trump. I dislike him almost as much as Hillary and I hate the fact that social media and the mainstream media is so awful I feel the need to defend him.
     
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    Is it giving Ryan too much credit to think this is a joke about how Trump spreads rumors on the campaign trail like he's a gossipy middle school girl, almost always using the phrase "many people are saying" and that he doesn't actually believe the NAMBLA thing either?
     
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    I don't know him or his work well enough to make that judgement. But it's mixed in with legitimate criticisms. So maybe?
     
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    So Clinton is hovering around a 2-5 point national lead in the polls, but the news for her is actually quite a bit better than that. Trump has taken a downward turn in nearly all of the swing states. Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina - all clearly favoring Clinton at the moment. The factors at work here are probably that Clinton is spending substantially more and the media is very much pro Clinton. Even within the GOP Trump is still only getting lukewarm support. This is kind of where I expected the race to be at this point, but I did not see the pendulum swinging away from Clinton during the DNC and then swinging right back.

    However, what really sucks about all of this is that while these two candidates are still as hated as ever (the public just hates Trump a little more again) Johnson's numbers haven't moved at all. What the fuck, America? I'm not saying he's great, but if this is really about the least of evils, and even the leading candidate has 2/3+ the country saying she is untrustworthy, won't a few more of you pull away to a 3rd option?

    This is another thing that's so bad about having such a partisan media. Nobody wants to give Johnson attention. They just want to keep backing their horse.
     
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    It's not a realistic option. He will not win and because of the way the system is set up it does nothing but draw votes from the major party candidate that is most similar. And while it's all well and good to say that we need to show that the status quo won't cut it, you have to decide if having the person you dislike the most being president for four years is worth it. I don't see the risk of the potential damage that can be done worth the reward, because between now and 2020 a lot of stuff can happen that gets in the way of that plan.

    I'm not saying change doesn't need to occur, and I don't have a plan on how, but I don't see that being the route to take.
     
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    Exactly. That's the prevailing belief and it's really senseless. We basically have a majority of the electorate voting for the candidate they hate less rather than the best candidate.

    Honestly though, as silly as that is, I think it's really more about how most of the voters know next to nothing about the 3rd party candidates. Actively searching for the information is a lot to ask of most people. They need someone to shove it in their face and the media won't do it for them. Pretending they don't exist and cranking up the fear mongering of Trump (or Hillary for those few publications) is what will get her elected.

    How do you ever break the cycle if your answer every election is, 'I can't risk the guy I really don't like winning'? It reminds me of that lizard quote Iczorro posted awhile back. Granted, Johnson isn't some great candidate, but I think he is better than Trump or Hillary, and has a defined platform he actually believes in. I just wish he wasn't so goddamn dull.

    It's sad that politics in this country have devolved to the point we're voting because candidate X will be the next Hitler, or whatever crazy shit is the next forget in a week quote snipping.
     
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    The sad thing is, being the "best candidate" this year is like winning the "Taller Than Hervé Villechaize" contest.

    There is NO candidate I want to be President. Trump is a buffoon. Hillary is bought and paid for. The third party candidates are going to do what Perot did... It's just a giant clusterfuck. The sad thing about America is that we think a two-party system is the only way to go. The other problem is that the system now thinks the President is all powerful: Congress is supposed to have the power according to the system of checks and balances.

    This system is well and truly fucked.
     
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    Isn't Johnson famous for vetoing everything? I think that's his goal.
     
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    So the only way to get anything done is to have one party hold the presidency while holding a majority in the house and senate? That used to not be true. Maybe someone that belongs to neither party is exactly what we need.

    And Johnson actually has a lot of Republican leaning ideas in his platform so if they hold the majority in congress a lot of things would get done, or rather undone. Funnily enough he's a lot more conservative on economics than the current Republican nominee.
     
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    That's why I'd prefer Trump: He can't pull all the bullshit he thinks he can because Congress will fight him. Hillary is too much of a political operator and will be able to fuck shit up more than Trump...

    So, if Trump wins, we're basically in for four years of standstill... Like the perpetual rebuilding cycle the Minnesota Timberwolves or Milwaukee Bucks are in.
     
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    The only way for a third party presidential candidate to ever win is to have a substantial number of seats in congress first, plus a couple of governors and a heavy presence in state legislatures. Libertarians are wasting their time fielding a candidate until they at least win some congressional seats. If nobody wins a majority of electoral votes (the magic 270) then the house gets to pick the president, and it doesn't have to be anyone who ran, and each state only gets one vote. The senate would pick the VP. If a third-party candidate really screws things up this year, we could see a Ryan-McConnell administration. Who wants to vote for Johnson now?
     
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    The latest thing that constitutes as a death sentence to America's Judge Dredd police departments is using sign language for being deaf.

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/n...ts-Deaf-Man-After-Traffic-Stop-390972761.html

    There is no excuse for this at all except for a 50/50 dose of cowardice and stupidity. I don't care what he was doing with his hands, the man was not armed and therefore not a threat whatsoever, end of fucking story.

    Let's stop asking "When will it end?" when we all know it simply is never going to stop, and on top of that get worse as time progresses. America has accepted it just like they have mass shootings.
     
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    7 mile police chase, jumped out of his car, did not obey verbal commands. Cops have never been shot and killed that way.

    Why didn't he pull over when the officer flipped on his lights?
    Why didn't he stay in his car with his hands where the officer could see them (Like we've all been taught) ?

    It's unfortunate, but it's not all on the cop. Not pulling over for 7 miles and then jumping out of your car like a fucked up Jack in the box knowing full well you can't hear anything the cop is saying is downright stupid.
     
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    Serious question here, is there some sort of law that says if you run from the police they are justified to shoot you?
     
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    Do you not speak in English whenever you're confronted with someone who's speaking in a different language at you, even if there's little to no chance they speak English?
     
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    Given that the suspect lead the police on a 7 mile chase let's just assume he acted completely reasonable while getting out of the vehicle and the cop lost his mind. Was just calmly signing that he sincerely wanted to cooperate.

    Seriously, I have no idea if the cop is at fault here, but the way people just jump on the police is getting really tiresome.
     
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    You do know that deaf people have no other option for communication right?
     
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    What's also tiresome is people dreaming up ways to excuse the killing of an unarmed man. What's also tiresome is this exceptance that police should kill first, take risks later. If that were the philosophy of firefighters they would let every building burn that they arrive at, rather than risk their lives for the job that they willingly signed up for.