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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. toytoy88

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    Katrina was ridiculous, so many people thought it hit just New Orleans. Mainly because NOLA has a lot of really stupid people that ignored the evacuation order and the free buses that would take them to safety. Then as soon as the storm hit they started whining, crying, and screaming about their predicament. Mississippi got just as ass blasted by Katrina (It didn't even downgrade to tropical storm until just outside of Tupelo.) I was 45 miles north of Tupelo and we were still seeing 90-100 mph wind gusts and buckets of rain. Mississippi, unlike NOLA, didn't whine. Folks just rolled up their sleeves and fixed shit. Also two weeks later in north MS we got hit by what was left of Rita, it was nowhere near as strong as Katrina, but it still did some damage.

    Fun fact: Some of the NOLA evacuees/refugees were sent to Memphis. Crime in Memphis skyrocketed. That's pretty impressive seeing as Memphis was already one of the most crime ridden cities in the country.
     
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    So what ought Hillary to be doing? Considering everything you just said (aside from the flood part) is Trump having to perform damage control for the idiocy he previously expressed, why would she need to do any of that?
     
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    Yeah, it's happening pretty much all over the place.



    The part where he rambles about fearing for his life doesn't seem necessary. I have no idea if there's anything to the stuff on Hillary's health, but just horrible managing of a news outlet. It's really getting sad how blatant these outlets have become in their bias.

    Huffington Post has always been a shitty source for news anyway. Right now one of their top stories is rambling about David Duke loving Trump. Yep, sounds like a site totally not interested in letting frivolous bullshit clutter up their news space.
     
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    She doesn't need to do any of it, you are correct. But if all she does while trying to win the Presidency is hold fund raisers and dodge charges leveled at her, how much is she actually going to do if she wins the office?
     
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    This is where Hillary was before the conventions though. Her campaign seems to have a tendency towards complacency when it seems that they are comfortably in charge. Trump's base seems to get galvanized by that. Don't view this as a pro-Trump statement, but rather just an observation that he manages to storm back whenever it looks like his numbers are tailing off.
     
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    I would really like to know what Kaepernick, or anyone in the BLM would have to say about this.

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    As always, that's a great point. It's just like how you really have to wonder why we, as a country, are concerning ourselves so much with the threat of terrorism and there are these groups of people calling for crazy sweeping action to protect ourselves when there have been 36 deaths from terrorist attacks on U.S soil in the 15 years since 9/11 compared to the approximately 180,000 American-on-American gun murders in the same amount of time? Maybe it's about time we take responsibility for our own problems before trying to scapegoat some other issue which, while I admit is kind of a problem, pales in comparison to what seems really important and is much more of a threat to American lives and really at the root of making progress moving forward. And I know no one wants to talk about this, but you almost have to wonder if our seemingly inherent problem with violence is even part of the reason why we're targeted so much by terrorists. Like, if we're constantly presenting ourselves as a threat to these people, is it any surprise that they're going to view us as more dangerous and want to, at some point, fight back just to protect themselves? And Americans glorify killing Muslims and proudly disrespect Muslims as part of their culture! They're proud of how many Muslims they've killed, whether or not they're radical Islamic terrorists or just ordinary Muslims trying to live their lives. It doesn't even matter to them. But no, let's keep talking about terrorism as if it's this huge threat when, if you look at it as a simple numbers issue, it clearly isn't that big of a deal.
     
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    Money.

    When you build up a "OH MY GOD TERRORISTS!" mentality among the population, you get bullshit "let's spend stupid amounts of money to protect ourselves" legislation.

    The friends of those that vote for this legistlation (AKA lobbyists) pay pennies on the dollar for what they receive in cash.

    The American people are being gamed, and they're too stupid to know they're stupid... or they just don't give a fuck, and lobbyist and lawmakers laugh all the way to the bank.

    Why do you think politicians spend millions of dollars in order to get a job that pays less than $200k a year?

    It's easy for them to point at the flag and claim "it's for the children" and people will be stupid enough to let it pass.

    The TSA is a prime example. The full body scanners made BILLIONS of dollars for those that made them, and now they're not really being used since they were found to have never passed the proper testing for human exposure.

    It's fucking laughable.
     
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    I cant be the only one that thinks the whole outrage at Kaepernick thing is fucking ridiculous in the first place right? I mean one celebrity won't stand up during the national anthem in a form of protest. Man you think they found terrorist poisoning the water supply. This when other manifestations of the same movement included rioting, wanton property destruction, up to and including outright murder of police officers. I may not agree with his cause but his simple symbolic gesture doesn't seem to cause any rage in me. I say good for him in the face of the ridiculous outrage.
     
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    I thought his decision last night to take a knee was a great compromise. He gets to make his point with his protest without offending all the veterans or the patriots.
     
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    Full body scanners are still in full use here in the New York area.

    I agree with you and miss Monroe. People have incredibly short memories. Terrorism from the late 60s to the early 80s was a huge problem in the US, but no one remembers that.
     
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    What's special about "veterans or the patriots" that makes their sensibilities worthy of respect? Here on tiB we show nothing but scorn and mockery toward "SJWs" and other people who express offense toward things that are popularly considered anti-PC - with political correctness being another thing that's constantly ridiculed here - so obviously we've decided they have no ground to be offended by such things. So then, what's the full hierarchy? Who else deserves to have their sensibilities respected and whose sensibilities deserved to be mocked?
     
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    I am so fucking sick and tired of the idea that you either completely love, accept, support, and honor every single aspect of our current society and our entire history without question, concern, or protest no matter who you are or how that current society or history treats you, or you're not a patriot. That's not patriotism, it's blind nationalism, and not only is it one of the characteristics of pretty much all of the countries we've painted as boogeymen in the past and present but it's inherently unamerican.
     
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    I think you just meant to post this picture:

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    Correct. Check out this quote from Wikipedia on the Sons of Liberty:

    In Boston, another example of violence could be found in their treatment of local stamp distributor Andrew Oliver. They burned his effigy in the streets. When he did not resign, they escalated to burning down his office building. Even after he resigned, they almost destroyed the whole house of his close associate Lieutenant Governor Thomas Hutchinson. It is believed that the Sons of Liberty did this to excite the lower classes and get them actively involved in rebelling against the authorities. Their actions made many of the stamp distributors resign in fear.

    Today, we hold these men (Sam Adams chief among them) to be heroes, yet we call anyone who performs the same actions now "terrorists." The only difference is which side of the debate you're on, and who ultimately wins. I don't understand the hate toward Kaepernick; if that's how he wants to show his distaste, then is seems like a pretty reasonable way to do it. Certainly there are no victims in his protest.
     
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    There's a big difference between an armchair critic who gets offended by things, and someone who risked their life (and maybe lost parts of their body) defending the country through volunteering to do it. If you don't see a veteran as someone worthy of just a little bit more respect than a squawking SJW complaining from behind their computer screen, then I don't think I'm going to be able to explain it to you.

    "What's the full hierarchy?" To answer that, I think you ask the question, "What have you risked and what have you accomplished?" For example, someone who completed multiple active duty tours in Afghanistan has risked WAY more than I ever will; subsequently, I'm far more willing to worry about not offending him or her by disrespecting something they risked their life to protect.
     
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    That's why I like that he's now taking a knee. Like it or not, there's a whole realm of people who are of the George Bush, "You're either with us or against us," mentality. By not actively offending them, I think, it lets the conversation focus on the actual problem. The discussion shouldn't be Colin Kaepernick. It should be on fixing the broken parts of the system. Kaep found a good workaround to keep the conversation going and not derail it with that blind nationalism you're talking about.
     
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    I Disagree. In their view the primary problem is that people of color are complaining in the first place. They don't see any injustice in the way LE policies minority communities, so they're not going to contribute anything to a solution. They're going to stonewall no matter what; the idea that Kap sitting for the anthem changed some peoples' view from sympathy [toward police oppression of minority communities] to opposition is facile.
     
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    Who are the "they" you are talking about?

    If "they" are the blindly racist idiots that think all non-whites should sit down and STFU, then there is no amount of debate or discourse that will change their minds. Personally, I was not talking about the dudes who show up shirtless with their chests painted like American flags when I was talking about targeting the discussion. As you said, " 'they' aren't going to contribute anything to a solution."

    Kaepernick has a very legitimate point about the racial discrepancy and judicial biases towards people of colour in America. Unfortunately, the nature of his protest when he sat for the anthem was viewed as unpatriotic and disrespectful to the military - neither of which were standpoints he was trying to convey. By choosing a slightly different version of the protest, it will hopefully remove the perceived disrespect and allow the focus to be on what actually matters: changing social policies. Reading about the meetings he's had this week and how he came to a decision to modify his approach slightly, I know I myself see the situation way more favourably.
     
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    Offending the sensibilities of men and women who risked their lives during voluntary civic duty>Sociology majors who haven't had experience at life outside of echo chamber academia. We can at least agree on that? I know I'd give deference to even the stupidest mouth breathing hoorah military man than your run of the mill SJW. In this case though I tend to agree it is just misplaced nationalism to object as much as people are.