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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. ODEN

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    I really don't think there is anything wrong with being patriotic or being nationalistic to a certain extent. This is a great country that does great things. We should be proud, we have reason to be proud.

    I also see absolutely nothing wrong with what Kaepernick did or any of the resulting reactions. He is free to feel and express himself in almost any manner he chooses, just as those who have reacted strongly to him do. We are allowed to disagree, we should disagree. THAT is part of what is great about this country. You can't just do that anywhere in the world you choose. Now, do I agree with the backlash that Kap has received? No, as a matter of fact, I think it is rather ironic for people with all of this patriotic pride to react that way because they clearly don't understand that he is exercising some of his god-given rights in the documents that define the country they love so much.

    In terms of the issue he is trying to bring attention to; I continue to believe that this a public policy issue at large. I think law enforcement, in general, is far too violent. When I continue to see people thrown to the ground, injured and arrested and the only charge against them is resisting arrest, that is a real problem. Now, I also think this problem becomes amplified in minority neighborhoods; it is clearly in a very negative feedback loop. Policing is done very aggressively, minorities resent the treatment, minorities verbally abuse and resist more, police resent the treatment and become more violent........wash,rinse, repeat. It clearly affects minorities more directly but I think if policing reverted back to being peace officers (coming when called) instead of enforcers (with quotas) then things would improve. If not, let's at least be honest here and agree that the current trajectory is not going to improve and some change needs to happen.
     
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    Anyone think Johnson has a chance at getting enough support to be in a debate?

    As far as Kap, its up to his club to react and have an opinion, otherwise what i know is he does a lot of sitting lately so he's doing what he does best. Ride the pine.
     
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    Jesus. Shut up and do your fucking jobs--- which includes guarding the lives of those you don't like. Part of your oath is you don't get to pick and choose who you serve.

    Police unions do whatever it takes to make their members smile and the often involves saying and doing idiotic things, all the time. Pay Lynch and Steve Loomis are perfect pieces of evidence.
     
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    This is my favorite tweet on the subject.
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    It should be noted ( I ghink) the police guarding the stadium are off duty and contracted to guard it. But still there is some truth to it.
     
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    Little Boy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy), the Hiroshima bomb, was 15 kilotons and was equivalent to a 6.0 seismic event. Seeing as the Richter scale is logarithmic, it'd be an order of magnitude less than that.

    So, not that much, compared to what the current SuperPowers have at hand?
     
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    But here's hoping that they fucked up and blew themselves up rather than did a controlled test.
     
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    It sounds to be a pretty small one then, if it was a nuke.

    I could see China getting really pissed off if the Norks are conducting ground level nuke tests though.
     
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    No doubt. But I really, REALLY have to wonder about the real capabilities of Best Korea when it comes to Nuclear weapons.

    Honestly, I tend to think that they'd be much more capable of deploying dirty bombs than high-yield nuclear devices.

    But really, who knows. I'm amazed when they seem to be able to launch a rocket, never mind that they seem to have the same level of accuracy as WW2 Buzz Bombs.

    I can't help but think that proper nuclear weaponry is way, way out of their grasp.

    From the Wikipedia entry on Best Korea:

    So they're measuring just the amount of uranium, no necessarily their ability to use it effectively.
     
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    That's what I was thinking too, but then I went looking for what a conventional bomb might register on the Richter scale and found this:

    "The blast (estimated yield of 20–40 tons of TNT, comparable in scale to the military test Operation Blowdown) was heard 80 km away (50 miles) and registered 3.4 on the Richter scale. It damaged about 30,000 buildings over about two-thirds of the city"

    That was a fertilizer plant blowing up in France in 2001, so if NK's blast rated 5.0....they blew something pretty serious up.

    Also, China has started emergency radiation monitoring .
     
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    Make no mistake about it, Little Boy was some serious fucking shit that laid waste to a LOT of real estate... so if it was even close to that, it's no joke.
     
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    China has released some seismographs...

    Nuclear Test from 2016-01-06:

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    M5 Earthquake from 2005-07-25:

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    This recent event:

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    Hmmm.... geee... it sure looks like a nuke test.
     
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    From Reuters:

    "He said the seismic magnitude and surface level indicated a blast with a 20- to 30-kilotonne yield. Such a yield would make this test, if confirmed, larger than the nuclear bomb dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima in World War Two and potentially bigger than that dropped on Nagasaki soon after."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKCN11F02N

    That is not good.
     
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    I wonder if this is finally the event that triggers that "enough is enough" response from China and the US.
     
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    Yeah, this might just do it. There's reportedly a shit load of activity at Osan AFB in SK and Japan has launched planes to monitor for radiation.

    China, US, and Russia may just get together long enough to snuff Kim out.
     
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    Well, China, Russia, and the US all need a nice, marketable event, so this just might be it.

    "See, we all came together and worked together to turn Best Korea into a glass crater."
     
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    Pardon me for asking the stupid question here, but how would you go about that without a bunch of collateral on the South Korea side from the bombs?

    And in the event everyone teams up to give NK a nuclear noogie, what's to stop North Korea from just going "ah fuck it, we're gonna die anyway" and shooting everything they've got at the south?