From my context, they're full of shit. Coming out of one of those "puppy mills" you barely know how to sweep the floors, technically speaking, and you're lucky if you're getting $40k (CDN). You really are a puppy in the sense you have no idea how to work with a team (which can easily take another 3 months training), and you have zero experience. You are more of a time suck than a benefit to the members of your team for the first few months, and even then you're doing the programming equivalent of digging ditches. They are definitely cherry-picking their stats if those are the numbers they throwing out there. I have a few guys making $75k that are rock stars, and have solid years of experience.
I would never hire one, especially given how I can't imagine you couldn't find someone better at a similar rate. According to at least one reputable source they aren't completely full of shit though: http://blogs.wsj.com/atwork/2014/08/05/code-red-job-market-for-boot-camp-grads-ok-at-best/ If you look around at reviews you'll find similar info. In my experience if it was a total scam it wouldn't be that hard to find out. A few things from the article. That's cherry picking. We'll call it 75%, which isn't all that bad considering they can't know how to do very much. According to the article, apparently the more famous, more written about boot camps actually do have the hiring rates they claim. They're just really rare. Not a very impressive pool. 75% is really good all things considered. I don't know why there's companies paying so much for such a lack of experience, but apparently they exist. Again, they might be completely full of shit, but if they are they know how to hide it really well. It appears people are just really desperate for individuals in IT. I completely agree about not hiring any of the grads, but while the programs are far from a guarantee of success, there's a lot worse places you could throw your dice.
I don't know about the "business" world, but in nursing as an LPN no one will touch you unless you have a year experience. My first six months all I could find was "per diem" work and after I was hired full time they gave me the shittiest unit in the building and worked my ass to death. Most hospitals now are trying to gain "magnet" status and they will not hire LPNs at all. The also require 80% of their nurses to have BSN degrees, which I believe is a requirement to obtain that status. It makes no sense. BSN nurses are very expensive and LPNs can do pretty much the same thing except supervise other R.N.s and push a scant few medications via IV. My scope of practice is pretty similar to an R.N. The amount of schooling required for me to get a BSN is monumental, and that shit is really expensive and time consuming when you're trying to earn a living.
The numbers I always see cited from the articles on those boot camps always seem to be at odds with what I've seen in the actual programming world. I wonder how many of them are getting hired as contractors (thus having inflated "salaries" that are really an hourly wage and don't reflect the fact that they have no benefits), and how many of those are converted into long term hires and/or careers.
I'm willing to bet that those awesome salary jumps are from 5 years after they graduated... not from the day after they graduated.
We do a ton of contract-to-hire here for most entry level positions (where all of these bootcamp people will be applying). They'll typically get a 6 month contract, and only a hire if they end up working out and there's a permanent position available. That might mean the programmer gets a nice $65k/year hourly equivalent, but that's going to be immediately devalued by medical insurance, no paid time off, no company matching on retirement or other perks, and no job security. Even if you just account for real dollars: 401k match @ 6% = $3900/yr Health insurance = $5000/yr (give or take, depending on situation) 2 weeks vacation (80 hours) = $2500/yr How much of your salary "bump" was eaten up by that $11,400 difference and do you have a job at the end of the 6 month contract? I mean, at the end of the day it's better to have new and relevant skills than to not have them. I'm just not sure it's a magic ticket to a bucket of money.
That's my point... the numbers I've seen before around here in BC (from BCIT) show the salary results from 5 years after they graduated boot camp, but imply that you get that salary right out of the gate. It's more like, "you graduating from this 3 month course will put you on the path to getting $crazy".
....And the madness to erase history continues: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/1...derate-sculpture-in-public/?intcmp=latestnews In two weeks we've gone from removing/banning flags to removing monuments and digging up fucking bodies to now. Blasting shit off the side of a fucking mountain. ISIS much? And if y'all think this is going to promote racial harmony? http://www.wtva.com/content/news/gr...e-down-state-flag/4q501cNHx0Gw5GY_NgGXwg.cspx
Probably not, but getting rid of that damn flag is still a positive step. But what I really hate is the thinking/argument that unless you can solve enormous problems with single/simple solutions, nothing should even be tried. That's a chickenshit attitude that deserves no respect whatsoever.
This is a real poster at an American university (Coastal Carolina emblem in the corner). Would anybody mind explaining how this is fair, or how it even makes sense at all?
It's bullshit... the simplest argument against it is "two chicks get drunk and hook up... which one goes to jail?"
Who had the bloody cheek to take a blurry photo? Is it actually printed blurry, you beautiful troll bastard? If Jake was fucked up... how could HE consent? Dun dun DUUUUUUUN. Look at the photo. He's the one with his face in the glass. So who is preying upon who? Look at her face. "Drink up, Jake. I'm going in dry." Edit for the sake of averting an argument: guys should probably stop drinking so goddamn much and intimidating women into precarious positions where they go along with something they're not into. Or, yanno, stop raping women.
I'd like to know where in the US a detective gets off his ass, works a case, hands it to a DA, said DA presses the paper and files charges all within the workday immediately following the rape.
You people sure love a good rape don't you? Can we not go here again? We've done it fifty times, and it went absolutely no where. In other news, I know some people hate him because he's really far left, but this is why some people love Bernie Sanders: I was too young and too far out of the country to really know what was going on. I do wonder though how people could buy into a philosophy that claimed what we manufactured doesn't matter, nor feel any concern when this sentiment came from THE economic guru of the last 20 years. It's also strange how no one saw the problem with banks borrowing at a 1% interest rate, and then gambling with it in an essentially no lose scenario. Every time they blew a market up they could just borrow again.
Here's a good example of what's wrong with cops (mostly in cities) in America. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...-release-of-videos-20150714-story.html#page=1 The DA declined to press charges even though the guy in the video clearly wasn't reaching for a gun. Both arms were in front of him. And the cops did not care at all that someone in complete compliance with their orders was in the line of fire, and was hit. The guy that died after being shot 10 times was actually the brother of the guy whose bike was stolen. But he looks Mexican or something so you know, better not take chances. Then after the city AKA the taxpayers paid the families $4.7 million, they fought to keep the video from being released because of how bad it made the city look. Oh, and they justified it because the autopsy found alcohol and methamphetamine in his system. Just more evidence that the war on drugs must be ended immediately.
Speaking of the war on drugs, if Obama spends the rest of his term commuting sentences and/or pardoning non-violent drug offenders in federal prison, of which there are about 95,000, I'd consider him the best president ever or close to it. Even though I disagree with him on nearly every policy matter.
Ugh. The narrative about the police state is starting to get old. - you're about 10x more likely to die in a car accident - you're about 30x more likely to get murdered by someone who isn't a cop - you're about 100x more likely to kill yourself because you're sick of hearing about it Add a zero to all those for the actual cases where it's reasonable to suspect the cop had no rationale motive whatsoever. It's a problem, but it isn't this open season kill everything with a pulse nonsense that people make it out to be. I know someone is about to come in here with the whole police state, sheep to the system, you just don't know, you don't know for real what's happening for real stuff. Do people really give a shit about the suicide rate or the way most murders actually happened? No, they don't. They care about the lone gunman with schizophrenia and the police. Yes, it's a problem. It's also a problem that idiots start rioting before even the most basic facts beyond 'some guy got shot by cops' are revealed. Picking up your pitchfork the same day a story comes out doesn't make you a social rights champion, it makes you a fucking moron.