I'd love to see them try that shit here. I have several neighbors I know of that wouldn't hesitate to dispense with a few rioters if they felt the neighborhood was in danger. People stockpile ammo here for a reason and it ain't for the zombie apocalypse.
Again, nobody wants to see that happen (at least I hope they don't), this includes the police and they are aware that is a real possibility and I would assume that they would "de-escalate" the "protest" the only way they know how: escalation of violence against the "protesters".
Fucking with a person's family and home? That truly is asking for an on-the-spot death sentence. People protect what's theirs, and many are willing to in full violent effect.
If that shit happened down here in texas, civilians protecting their property with guns would outnumber cops with guns 5-1. And those people would have multiple firearms on them. That being said, anyone who had any intention of protesting in this has long since gone to bed. At this point it's just a bunch of thugs running around using "protest" as a convenient excuse to inflict violence upon their community. And yes I know thug is a loaded word, and it's fitting. These people on the streets of charlotte right now, these are thugs. That's a polite way of describing them. If they aren't thugs then I don't know what is.
Well then, what's the impolite way of describing them? Because when you say "thug is a loaded word, and it's fitting" I'm picking up a pretty clear signal on what you really want to call them. So go ahead and do it.
Jobless violent punks? Destructive, hateful racists? I'm seeing images of "black lives matter" spray painted on broken windows. How is that any better or different than the KKK? Sure, BLM has been co-opted into a hate group by a violent minority, but that's what the message is now. If the honest "protesters" in the group want to spread a peaceful message, they need to do it under a different brand at this point.
Yeah it's fucked in Uptown right now, Ill end up having to call my guys in for 12 hour shifts to support the emergency vehicles, already have fire and ems working constant coverage. The guy who got shot was shot by a civilian, it went out over the police band tonight while I was at work.
You're splitting hairs now, but I'll play. Fair. We could argue about the derogatory use of jobless though. Destructive, sure. Hateful racists? You have a lot of work to do here. A lot. Edited to add: the funny thing is all of the above is far more polite than the way you intentionally used the loaded meaning of thug, so I'm still confused. Every time you say dumb shit I think, "It can't get any dumber." How is spray painting broken windows better or different than the KKK? Is history class in Texas that bad? Probably. No excuse though because you're a full fledged adult who can read now. But let's stick with a picture for now. Those four little girls are how the KKK is different and several orders of magnitude worse than any grievance anyone has with BLM. Give me a fucking break.
Let's not try to one-up each other on deplorable racism or violent tragedy. This thread is a microcosm of the polarity gripping the world right now. (How's THAT for a ten dollar sentence! Deepak Chopra, eat your heart out.) We don't have to take sides, and one group/individual can be justified in their anger without negating another group's justification or anger. That the KKK is deplorable is a given, and we certainly don't need to cite examples of their work to know that they're a group of racists seeking to injure anyone not like themselves. BLM is a movement that's struggling to address the very real problems within the judicial and police systems while at the same time keeping their members in check and not doing anything too stupid. Crazy as it is, the following: - Minorities, especially black people, are unfairly and disproportionately the target of police involvement, court trials and jail time. - Some BLM members are trying to affect meaningful change. - Some BLM are thugs who want to break and burn shit. - Some cops are doing excellent work in a difficult and broken system. - Some cops are thugs who terrorize and murder civilians All of ^ those things can be simultaneously true, and I wish the conversation didn't constantly turn into a one-upmanship contest of who is worse or who is more terrorized.
Apparently we do need to cite their work because we have people trying to put them on equal footing. I would have thought that one simple example would be enough, but then we have this: This is dubious when last I checked (at least in regard to the officers in Texas, I haven't followed the Baton Rouge tragedy much at all) it was just a nuts dude who got kicked out of extremist groups for being too extremist and wasn't really tied to Black Lives Matter at all minus saying he was upset about it. Provide me with some solid info that isn't off right-wing conspiracy websites if you disagree with this. As I suppose I'm voicing one half of your polarity right now, it should be said that I don't think anyone on this board has disagreed with the bolded above (your annoyingly pointed use of the word thug and what membership in Black Lives Matter means aside). But the board doesn't seem to have any consensus about the first or second though. I guess it's strange too because I said nothing about police. Did it seem like I was saying cops are worse than Black Lives Matter? I never said that. In regard to "who is worse or who is more terrorized" the one-upmanship shouldn't be needed and it shouldn't even be a question when it comes to the KKK. Though I'm ultimately confused about who you are referring to when you say "who is worse or who is more terrorized."
I deliberately used "thugs" when talking about BLM protesters AND the police. It's interesting you only honed in on the single usage of it. And when I said, "Let's not try to one up each other, " I did not intend for that to mean, "Continue the argument anyway and keep trying to one up people."
How did I hone in on your single usage of it? When I said your use of that word was annoyingly pointed I knew you were deliberately applying it to both. How was I trying to one up people in that post? Maybe I'm confused by your use of that term. I didn't introduce anything new or worse, so how did I try to one up anyone? Did I continue the argument? Yes, as apparently there is still some doubt here that the KKK is worse than BLM. I think that is problematic and telling and should be explored. Is continuing arguments not allowed for more than one post?
Let's back up a step, because I had intended my post to be a bit of gentle moderating, and I did a poor job of it because my meaning was clearly not well conveyed. Way back on Page 257, Juice was kind enough to post the rules for The Serious Thread: https://www.theidiotboard.com/threads/but-seriously.254165/page-257#post-568519 One of the points made is that you cannot explicitly attack or demean anyone else. When you jumped in to start your side of the KKK vs BLM movement (which is in itself an absurd thing for any of us to engage in), you said to RoTN that he "Couldn't get any stupider, " and then you berated him that he was, "An adult who can read now." My mistake was not stopping the shit then, and I apologize for focusing on a later post to try and nip a different problem in the bud. When ToyToy predictably took the other side of the debate - by showing images of dead cops - my intent when I posted was to stop the argument from swirling down the drain of, "One particular group is more violent/has more violence inflicted on them than another group," vein that the discussion was going in. Rather than take the hint, I see that you chose to go through my post line by line as well as ToyToy's, after first saying something like, "We need to keep talking about this..." So, to answer your question, arguments are not really allowed post to post. Debates are allowed, and intelligent discourse is the ultimate goal. I don't think we are seeing debate right now, though, and it's beginning to feel like the kind of absurd internet pedantic reaction that tends to annoy the shit out of people. If you have new points to add, by all means. If you need someone else's position clarified because it is too vague, ask away for them to clear it up. If you have pertinent articles or links that add to the discussion, go nuts. Also, feel free to change the subject if you wish, because at this stage of the game this one is feeling like a chore to even moderate. But stop the smarmy comments directed at other members, and please stop trying to create an argument out of a debate. Other mods may have a different idea about this.
Nope, I think you got it. Pedantry is the height of what is wrong with discussion, unless it's a specific fact that is the heart of the matter. Part of a reasonable discussion is the attempt to see the point of view of other side. Pedantry is a cheap cop out that leads to an argument. Watch any Bill Maher or Fox News episode and you'll see what I mean. Keep it civil. If you can't, fuck off.
They are charging the cop Betty Shelby from the Tulsa shooting with first-degree manslaughter. It's not murder but good enough to ruin her and that's a start. At least there they don't have a D.A. who doesn't do the retarded gymnastics in order not charge cops.
Why, exactly, would she be charged with murder? Murder requires premeditation, which doesn't exist in this case.