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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

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    Kind of like what you're doing now? From just a bit of cursory googling there is a good bit of research that stomping out protests from the jump with police in full riot gear isn't a great idea.

    Check out this quote from the Salt Lake City Chief of Police who did a great job dealing with Occupy protesters:

    That whole article where that quote is found is interesting. So is this one. Lazily blaming any criticism as being nothing but horseshit from fucktarded SJWs doesn't seem like such a good idea.
     
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    Wow. Are you capable of debating anything without devolving it into a condescending, personal attack? Man, I really feel sorry for you if you act this way in real life.

    If you honestly believe that when the ACLU suggests something that the threat of a lawsuit isn't far behind, God bless you. Lawsuits are kind of their thing.
     
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    This sums up my thoughts on blaming the cops for 'escalating' the rioters who do millions of dollars in property damage during these protests.

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    Looks like Bill Maher has a history of defending pedophilia.



    Don't get me wrong. I don't think anything should come of it, even if it is a really questionable position, but that sounded much more like a ringing endorsement than what Milo said. I think Milo has been acting like a complete tool and don't really feel all that bad for him, but we have quite a double standard going on.

    So much of this is manufactured social justice by media outlets to try to damage people they don't personally like. The WSJ edited footage from pewdiepie (#1 subscribed youtuber) to make it look like he was a white nationalist, and then dozens of media outlets ran stories about pro nazi sites supporting him to purposely create a false narrative. It was actually a few jokes snipped out of hundreds of videos. They poured through everything on his channel just to put this bullshit together, and then sent it to disney/youtube and started pumping out coverage to damage his career.

    It seems like they're hell bent on pretending everyone who disagrees with them is 'far right' and 'white nationalist' these days. And pewdiepie isn't even political at all. It was a series of manufactured outrage pieces to play up false stories about hate groups taking over everything.

    And these are the same people wondering why the public is losing trust in them...
     
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    Gravy and Toytoy, youll be nice or you will take a vacation.
     
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    What is really sad is that Trump is the worst person for the role of swashbuckling big media warrior. I think he has a legitimate beef. He's just such a polarizing, unpredictable, ego maniac that no one but his most ardent followers will ever take him seriously. I've never seen the media as directed and flagrent in pushing narratives playing extremely loose with 'facts.' Trump, if he didn't push such demonstrably false braggadocio, he could really put a point on the issue of "alternate interpretations" instead we get braindead "alternative facts."
     
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    Milo was a bad figure for it too. Trump hates the media and calls them dishonest, but at the same time treats any media that is positive as if it's gospel, and we're talking about fox news and breitbart who are just as bad as anyone else.

    Figures aside, I think it's a problem the mainstream media either has to fix itself, or be replaced by new outlets. Some figure pointing out how terrible they are isn't going to change anything by itself.
     
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    So wikileaks just dumped a huge batch of CIA documents.

    Most interesting really in the, what they are capable of sense, than actual salacious nefarious incidents. Multiple different hacks to gain control of cell phones and smart TVs, hacks for modern computer driving systems, abilities to high jack opposing state malware to operate false flags, best times to score booze when on assignment in Europe. Seems pretty standard no? Brings up the ultimate paradox in that we need to keep up with these type of cyber capabilities for national security purposes, but can we trust the people in power with them?
     
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    Someone broke it down on /r/technology, but I think the biggest takeaway is that the not only did they cut the NSA out of the loop, they have a trove of zero-day exploits that they haven't been sharing with manufacturers and that they have been re-purposing malware to make intrusions and spying look like it was done by foreign governments. Plus a ton of other information that will fuel tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists for decades, particularly because much of it isnt bullshit apparently. Crazy stuff.
     
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    I'm basically at a point with Wikileaks where any time they do something, I immediately ask "how does this help Russia?"
     
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    The kind of interesting part is that the CIA has not classified any of this stuff, because that means they can use it without being guilty of releasing classified material.

    Some people are already putting together FOI requests for the source code of this unclassified material. Should be interesting.
     
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    This really fucking sucks for those in the IC.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what Wikileaks just provided, assuming someone could pin the DNC hack on Russia, could we ever be sure it was Russia and not the CIA that actually did it?
     
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    Walk me through the scenario in which the CIA creates a false flag operation in order to get a total incompetent elected President and then immediately goes to political war with said President.
     
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    I have no idea what motivates a group of people who actively work against the constitution and the American people. I will add that the older I get and the further this whole things goes I am becoming less certain of everything.
     
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    I initially had the same thought he did, but I arrived at the same conclusion you did. If they wanted to hurt Trump, why would they make him President first? Now there still is no proof of any collusion with the Russian government. But the fact that this potentially occurs is unsettling.
     
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    I'm sure there's plenty of people in the CIA that hated Clinton as well as Trump, but the idea that they would hack the DNC and then pose it as Russia is just too far fetched.
     
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    I'll admit the whole Seth Rich thing is very suspicious. I went down a rabbit hole on that for a few hours a couple of a weeks ago, and there is definitely some fuckery going on there. But there is no evidence of any collusion on either side with the Russians, there just isnt any. What probably happened was the Russians saw Hillary as more of a threat than Trump, and intervened on Trump's behalf by releasing leaks that hurt her and helped him. Thats really it. If something comes to light that the CIA or Trump campaign or anyone else did work with them to steer the election, then lock them away immediately, but until then, we have to go on the information available.

    As far as the CIA, I still think the fact that they withheld zero-day exploits from manufacturers when Obama specifically directed them to do the opposite is crazy. But we also shouldnt be surprised about intelligence agencies performing black ops.

    I wish Tom Clancy was still alive.