You know what I find amusing? The activists and SJW's are getting their panties all in a knot about this guy on/off United while in the exact same city (Chicago) 47 people have been shot this week with 7 killed. It's Wednesday morning. They can't be bothered with that though, they have to be outraged and virtue signalling about important stuff.
Or maybe they sometimes take flights, but aren't usually involved in gang activity. Thus they get upset about things that may affect them.
So we're okay with blaming the guy that got the shit kicked out of him for having the audacity to tell United to go fuck themselves because United stupidly overbooked a flight? It sounds like we are, which is funny, because if it was any of us that was in that guy's situation, we'd probably be doing the exact same thing he's doing. If I got my ass kicked by airport cops, I'd be playing it up in a hospital in between meetings with lawyers ready to sue the fuck out of a corporation who saw fit to treat me like a hobo with an exhibitionist streak. Right or not, nobody should be assaulted over what is a drop in a drop of a bucket for United.
I'm okay with recognizing that passenger's culpability in what happened. (And, I also recognize the cops didn't handle it correctly.*) But, nope, I full on disagree with you on "we'd probably be doing the exact same thing he's doing." Before the moments of the one video I saw that was released, I understand the following things to have happened: - the guy bought his conditional ticket, and has an obligation to understand the conditions to which he agreed - the guy was selected to be removed from the flight through correct policy (it sucks, and yes, I'd be pissed) - the guy was informed by staff that he had to get off the plane, but he refused - the guy was informed that security was going to be necessary to remove him, but he refused - the guy refused to follow the request of the cops when they showed up Up until that point, if I didn't want to volunteer, I would've have been bitching and complaining and probably using curse words, and I would've demanded as much compensation as I could get. But, once the cops put their hands on me, I damn sure wouldn't struggle or go limp like a toddler. And, even if you don't believe and insist everyone would do what he did, there are three examples of other people that were in his EXACT situation. They got off the plane without being forcibly removed. And, the other "exact same thing" I wouldn't do is get back on the plane, run up and down the aisles and say "I have to go home . . just kill me." So, no, I wouldn't be doing the exact same thing. According to one witness account, he was traveling with his wife. Supposedly, the two of them initially agreed to get off, but changed their mind when they learned the next flight was a good bit later. Where is the wife in the video? Anybody know what happened to her? *In one of the videos, you can see the cop in the jeans yank on the guy, and he doesn't get to the aisle. So, he yanks harder and the guy suddenly comes out easily and overshoots and hits his face on the armrest. He screwed up. He was tugging hard enough to overcome the guy's resistance, the guy relaxed and the cop had overcompensated. It's a small space and they'll use this video for training on how to do that better. The cops weren't trying to beat the guy down or punish him for noncompliance, they just screwed up. Starts at 1:03 of this version.
Blaming the guy who threw a temper tantrum and then reboarded the airplane after leaving once (allegedly) is exactly what we should be doing. You're in a security controlled area where the federal government has decided that if you act in a manner that could disrupt air traffic or the operation of the aircraft they will bring the hammer down on you. It sucks getting bumped, especially randomly by computer; but you know what if you want to fly you have to play by the airports/airlines rules. You even agreed to them when you purchased your ticket.
When you watch a video like the one below, ask yourself "Would cops in NY or LA tolerate this bullshit?" Because I don't think they would. Chicago seems to have a lot of issues on both sides of the law and it doesn't appear to be going away any time soon:
Okay, everybody arguing for the motion, "Guy got what he deserved". A NON-VIOLENT PROTESTING HUMAN BEING GOT THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF HIM BY POLICE. FULL STOP. The justifications for and against the why is slightly less important than the fact that police beat the shit out of someone at the behest of United Airlines. There was no attempt made by police to de-escalate the situation. No attempt was made by a multinational corporation to treat one of its customers with basic human decency, rules or no. United and the police didn't even try any other avenue of resolving this. What do we have now? United losing $1 billion in valuation, a guy in the hospital, and not least of all, the lives of everybody on that flight being inconvenienced even more than it was already. I am not arguing that the guy who was assaulted was somehow in the right. In fact, if United and the cops even tried de-escalating, failed and physically had to remove him, I'd joking about it too. But they didn't.
I can't speak for "everybody," just me. I don't think he "got what he deserved" and I don't remember saying that. However, I do think the guy's actions contributed to what happened. If he had complied, he would not have a bloody face. If you disagree with that, that's fine. I won't go full caps in my response, but that could also correctly be written as "A screaming, struggling man refusing to follow instructions was subdued by police, and in the struggle ended up with a split lip." Also, going first rigid in the small space of an airplane seat and pushing away the officer's hands isn't the same sort of non-violence I would associate with someone sitting cross-legged in the street protesting inequality or something. Agree to disagree, I guess. Except neither of those are actually facts. The police, in fact, didn't beat the shit out of him, and it was certainly not at the behest of United. There wasn't? What happened in the 20 minutes leading up to this 30 seconds of video? Do you think those cops were already standing on the plane, or do you think they didn't show up until after United had exhausted their negotiations? Where were the other three passengers who did leave the plane? Were they previously snatched from their seats by the thuggish police, and then people started video'ing? They didn't? Actually, all of what you're saying should have happened first did happen first. http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wir...ress-lambasted-man-dragged-off-plane-46720980
Yes, they did. It just so happens that those aspects weren't blasted all over social media. You're seeing that one snippet and are making the conclusion that that is the sum total of all of the interactions. Simple question... he was travelling with his wife... where is she in the video? It's almost like she opted to leave the aircraft when asked one of the many times before the physical removal. And it's worth noting that when his medical license was suspended for 10 years, one of the comments was that his methods were out of date, and that he was only interested in doing things "his own way". Sure, that's not a smoking fun, but it does speak to his attitude and temperament, and fits in with the video of him basically throwing a tantrum.
Man you are wildly misrepresenting what we can all see on film. Do you really think that helps your argument that the airline and police were in the wrong?
I hear "Entrance Of The Gladiators" Playing in my head: : ...also, I'm now hearing rumours that they confused this Dave Dao with a DIFFERENT Dave Dao while trumpeting his criminal history, which may create more lawsuits. However....just rumours. Snippy post on social media, nothing more. Most of them paraphrasing in this matter:
Man, that would suck for TMZ or whomever identified him as the sex crime, drug dude. Which David Dao is the one who made a bunch of money in the World Series of Poker? http://www.wsop.com/players/profile/?playerID=24305
The hit piece on him was originally (I think) written by Morgan Watkins of the Courier Journal in Kentucky, who at the same time publicly asked on Twitter for his personal info so she could "reach out" to him. She is feeling all four barrels of in the Internet lynching machine right now and I couldn't give less of a shit.
At this point invoking an internet lynch mob has to be the equivalent of reading from that creepy book bound in human skin in the old witch's house in a horror movie. You know you're messing with powers beyond your control.
The US just dropped a MOAB (Massive Ordinance Air Blast or Mother Of All Bombs) on ISIS in Afghanistan. It is our largest non nuclear weapon with 11k lbs of explosives. This is the first time it has ever been deployed.
It's actually 21k lbs. There's a video of the testing from 2003 on CNN right now: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/polit...e974768320d3@livefyre.com&hubRefSrc=permalink
Now if only IS was a standing army with proper HQ and a chain of command we could instantly wipe out. No doubt this will hurt them tremendously, but it's much more effective as a message than a weapon.