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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Aetius

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    One thing I've always found funny is how people who don't give two thoughts about Facebook are paranoid that mobile games are selling your data. No bitch, we're buying your data. From Facebook.
     
  2. Nettdata

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    If any of you are interested in technology news, somewhat focused on startup cultures and VCs, you might want to browse this site occasionally.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/

    It's an interesting look at technology from a viewpoint you won't normally see in the MSM.

    Big players from Google, Amazon, etc regularly post their thoughts.
     
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    So this article has gone viral:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/white-doctor-video-mississauga-1.4168199

    Let me state this plainly: what this woman is doing is pure, belligerent racism and I really feel badly for her son. To say nothing of the scene she caused that was so totally unnecessary.

    The underlying issue is an interesting one, though. I, personally, have had absolutely deplorable service whenever I've gone to a walk-in clinic or a hospital and was seen by a non-Western doctor. The language barrier can be significant, but what's worse are the cultural differences and the discrepancy in training. I had one doctor refuse to examine me when I had a cyst rupture, saying, "It won't be necessary," and then laughing outright when I asked to see a specialist immediately. I had a different doctor in a different clinic demand that I pay her a fee because I had an Alberta healthcard but was in Manitoba, saying that "the paperwork to submit this is a nightmare." Whether it's due to cultural differences or training, it just feels like an inept clusterfuck. To make things worse, there are no alternatives. You can't leave in a huff and go to a different doctor or demand a different level of care, because we have no private health care in this country.

    I feel like a lot of doctors "do their time" in Canadian clinics and remote hospitals so that they can get their North American accreditation, and I think that's the underlying problem this racist woman was carrying on about. That, or she just really hates people of colour for no reason at all.

    I don't know that there's a focus to this point. I guess my thoughts reading it were that I cringe at what she's doing but have some empathy for what the problem might be.
     
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    I can understand the language barrier, what she should of said if she wasn't trying to be racist was "I want to see a doctor that I can understand, and that can understand me."
     
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    In a way, I can understand her position. I don't agree with the way she handled herself, but guess what? Corporate North America has positioned East Indians as a cost-savings measure that is sub-par in quality.

    So much so that a few national companies proudly market the fact that their call centres are local and not outsourced.

    And why have they marketed that fact? Because a LOT of people get frustrated over the shit service and inability to understand what they're saying on the phone. I'd say my rate of "good service" with outsourced (which is almost 100% East Indian) services is about 1 in 10. And everyone knows that it's a cost savings for the company, not in the best interests of the customer.

    So yeah, I can see the frustration, I just think that it was handled in a trailer trash manner.

    On the news her past "friends" have come out and basically said they stopped being friends with her because she's a blatant racist, so really all you're seeing here is trailer trash behaviour where you don't really expect to see it.
     
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    Do East Indian doctors who migrate to the west and are board certified a savings thing Ive not heard about? Certainly a field like healthcare needs as few language barriers as possible, I don't think this has to do with off shoring no?
     
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    I'm not going to listen to a guy on the phone who has a thick Indian accent and says his name is Steve Barrington. You're full of shit out of the gate, goodbye. Outsourcing your call centre to India also allows you to bypass the Do Not Call List regulation, to add to the distaste.

    Our city has had a huge increase in Indian immigrants the past half decade. My entire graduating class for school was 20% Indian on its own.
     
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    Not many doctors choose working at a walk-in clinic as their first choice of where to work... it's basically the bottom rung of the ladder, getting your foot in the door.

    And I'm not saying that the East Indian doctor isn't qualified to do the job. I have no idea about that at all... he might be the top of the class or he might be the last in the class who barely passed... I have no such information.

    All I'm saying is that there's a cultural association that has happened as a result of all the shitty outsourcing that has happened in the last 20 years.

    Is it unfair? Yes. But it's happened.

    And it could very well be that the guy has a shitty attitude and bedside demeanour that worked in India but isn't appropriate or expected here in Canada. In that case, he's the one that has to be sensitive of that and adjust accordingly.


    Who knows... but regardless, the correct action on her part is to politely request a different doctor without making a racist scene about it.
     
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    Just watched the unreleased dashcam footage, and you know what? I'm no longer convinced the cop is a murderer. It all happened very fast, Philando told him he had a gun, the cop told him not to pull it out, and that's all he had time to say. There was NO command to produce his license, or permit, or anything. It appears Philando just started reaching for his wallet despite the cop screaming at him to stop. It was at that point that Officer Skittish feared for his life, drew his weapon and emptied it.
    I can't call him a murderer for that. A "stupid, chicken-little, should've-been-a-mall-cop dumbass" sure, but not a murderer.
    Wouldn't take but a second to figure out, "hey, he just formally and politely informed me that he is carrying and has the permit to do so, he probably isn't trying to kill me" but this asshole didn't have the ability. Might make him the worst that our national police candidate pool has to offer, but not a murderer. I keep emphasizing that point because I'm almost certain that's how the jury saw it: A dumb cop who legit feared for his life even tho there was no actual threat, but was no killer.
    I wonder if they had liberty to go for a lesser charge.
     
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    I still wonder at anybody making ANY movements when dealing with the cops while carrying.

    How many times do you have to be told to just sit there, hands on the wheel, don't move, and keep calm? If you can't do that in that kind of situation, then you shouldn't be carrying a gun.

    As to the cop being scared, I think that the cops themselves don't help with that... all they do is talk about how every little incident can quickly result in you being shot and not going home that night, so they look at EVERYTHING as a potential worst-case scenario. They are constantly reinforcing that message to themselves as justification for their actions.

    It seems like the cop reacted to his worst case scenario rather than wait to let it play out a bit.

    But yeah... shitty cop, for sure, but not a murderer.
     
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    Honestly, I think people have a very hard time submitting to an absolute authority in a given situation, police encounters included. Its one of the few occasions where the power is almost completely 1-sided and for many people, especially this day and age, thats such an uncomfortable and jarring experience they dont quite know how to interact within it.

    Sit there, shut the fuck up, and follow instructions. If something is amiss or legally unreasonable, then deal with afterwards through the official channels.
     
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    I know I have said this before. I am white as white can be, I have always been told be polite and do exactly as the cop says. It isn't fucking hard if you tell the cop you have a gun and the cop tells you to sit still and you don't, bad things will probably happen.
     
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    I don't know. What I do know is that if I decide to hit up little India/Pakistan to get some medical care, it will be a lot cheaper than going to Dr. Anglo in the good parts of town. But I also suspect that is largely due to the cost of the office space in whitetown.
     
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    He wasn't charged with murder; he was charged with 2nd degree manslaughter. The definition of which in Minnesota:

    609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
    A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

    (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

    (2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

    (3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

    (4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

    (5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

    If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.


    It seems apparent to me that the prosecutor did a poor job of proving Officer Yanez was culpably negligent in shooting Castile. I don't know if the blame should be placed at the feet of the prosecutor or jury, but I'm still convinced the lack of any conviction represents a big miscarriage of justice.
     
  16. Revengeofthenerds

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    This is what I've been told. I carry, and though I've never been stopped or had any interaction with police since I started, I have asked friends and customers who are officers their opinions. It comes down to basically what you said. The cops are as scared of being killed as you are. Entering a gun into that equation ratchets it up. Just hand them your license, keep your hands both visible and stationary, and wait until they disarm you (or, in my case where, they give you instructions on what to do once you tell them the firearm is in the center console). You are not in control, they are. Sit still, shut up, and wait for instructions.

    It's not rocket science. Moving around and reaching places for unknown things when a cop is interacting with you is already bad. Moving around and reaching for places when a cop knows you have a gun but cannot see it, is grounds for a darwin award.

    In regard to the video, my understanding is that police are trained to shoot, re-assess, shoot, re-assess, etc. Like the issues with the Dylan Noble incident. However, they're also taught to shoot to eliminate the threat.

    Castilo put himself in a bad position, where his movements were open for interpretation. And the person who interpreted his movements happened to interpret them in a manner in which he feared for his life. That fear seems reasonable to me, and apparently it did to the jury as well. Sure, the cop was wrong in hindsight, but Castilo should never have put him in that spot to make a lawful -- though unfortunate -- decision. Castilo died because he couldn't sit still, shut up, and wait for instructions.

    If you don't know enough to do that when a cop is around, don't carry.
     
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    I disagree... they are WAY, WAY more scared of being killed than you are.

    If a cop pulls you over, your first thought isn't "they're going to shoot me".

    With them, their first thoughts are "is this guy going to shoot me?", and they work back from there.

    You might be at a 1/10 on the scared meter, but they are probably starting at a solid 7 and adjusting from there.

    Make a move like you're digging for something, and they jump to 11.
     
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    The one time I got pulled over with a pistol, I held my hands out the window and didn't move them until I told the trooper where the gun was and he told me to exit the vehicle to get me away from it. I will do the same thing next time and the time after that. It isn't training, I don't have a cc license, nobody told me that is how to handle the situation, it's just my way of not getting shot by a guy with a badge.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, people are acting as though it's the citizens who need training when dealing with police, when it's the other way around. I don't get the point of paying taxes if those taxes get to kill you and then tell your family to go fuck themselves.

    This clearly was not a murder. Despite the fact this was the fault of the police, we see on camera it was, they still say "well, don't move your arm, don't reach for your ID, ". Well, stop hiring morons. This cop was stupid and a liar. He lied about why he pulled him over, and it's his fault that an innocent man is dead. That IS a fact. It wasn't murder. It was wrongful killing by schmuck. But he fucked up and took the life of somebody in front of his family and anybody not wearing a badge goes down for manslaughter for that exact same situation. He shouldn't skate clean, but that is what happened and we all pretty much knew he would.
     
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    When you're carrying a gun, there is actually training you have to go through and specific processes you have to follow when interacting with the police. Understandably. That's part of the deal about you getting to carry a gun. In Canada, you need training to possess, never mind buy or carry a gun... any gun, not just hand guns, and there are rules you have to follow.

    Otherwise, it's "do as you're told by a person who is in the position of authority that has pulled you over and is carrying a gun."

    To think otherwise is a Darwin Manoeuvre.