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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. ODEN

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    I wish her luck.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/markeith-loyd-expected-to-enter-plea-wednesday

    This man killed his pregnant girlfriend. He killed an OPD cop who was beloved here in town and another who was very well known locally died in the chase to capture this guy. Yet, in spite of this, Ayala won't pursue the death penalty. I'm with Rick Scott on this; if she wants to be an activist then step down and go do that but don't allow this guy to avoid facing the justice he deserves.
     
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    Isn't it a lot cheaper and more torturous to just lock them up for the rest of their life? Maybe she is trying to save money.
     
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    That's an entirely different portion to a large nuanced issue. Yes, if I had to guess, it probably is cheaper to let him sit but he can still appeal a life decision same as a death sentence. That is a result of a different problem that also needs to be fixed. Cost of incarceration is far too high, the appeals process is broken, there are far too many people incarcerated that don't belong there, private for-profit prison industry and so on ad infinitum.
     
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    I agree. You are absolutely entitled to have your own opinion and beliefs on things like the death penalty, but if you are employed to work in a place where it is part of your job to do that, then either don't do that job, or don't be assigned to cases that require that decision to be made.

    If you want to be an activist, then do it outside of those channels; either rise high enough or be elected into a position where you can get the law changed, or do something outside of your work environment.

    It's like that old cow that refused to give marriage licenses to gay couples because it was against her religion... then don't do the job. Don't expect to be hired on and be able to only do the parts of your job that you want to... do it all, or don't do it at all.
     
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    A lot of times it is cheaper (given the red tape), and yes. That's why the death penalty is painless mercy, life in prison is a brutal and unrelenting journey in hell. And then you die, all alone.
     
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    This story has so many questions yet to be answered, but who the heck is training the cops in Minnesota?

    11:30 at night, woman hears disturbance in the alley behind her house, calls 9-1-1 to report a possible assault, ends up shot dead by responding officers.

    http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/justi...australian-facebook-photos-fiancee-minnesota/

    All the coverage keeps pointing out that neither the body cams of the officers or the dash cams offer any video. (Were they not turned on? Were they quickly deleted?) If both officers were still in the car and just chatting, I can see why they wouldn't have started recording, but then wtf did she get shot? This whole story seems like there are big pieces of info being left out or something.

    Most cop cars have all kinds of middle console equipment, so for a passenger side cop to be able to shoot her without the driver side cop being very much in the line of fire is so bizarre. It's not even easy to draw your weapon quickly while seated in the car.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...fatally-shot-by-a-minneapolis-police-officer/
     
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    It seems like Minnesota would be better off having theTaiban patrol their streets. absolutely ridiculous incompetence.
     
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    Know what, as a resident of Minneapolis I can say we'd be better off with the Taliban in control,yep that's for sure.
     
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    No, it's not the same. As a state prosecuting attorney it's her discretion as to whether or not she's going to recommend the death penalty, just like she makes the decision on what charges to bring against people. It's not like she's ignoring some law-prescribed mandate to impose the death penalty in specific circumstances (I looked and I couldn't find one).
     
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    It sounds like she's taking the stand that she will never recommend the death penalty... that makes me think that she's not fulfilling the role as expected.
     
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    Only in terms of whether the punishment would fit the crime. She doesn't get to make that determination based purely on her own bias regarding the use of the death penalty in general.
     
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    How codified is the death penalty where it's legal? Is there a list of crimes it can/should be used for or something like that, or is it just an option and it's up to the discretion of certain people whether or not to use it?
     
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    I dont think there is any jurisdiction where its a "mandatory" punishment, on the state or at the federal level. There are really only two "capital" crimes where its handed out - 1st degree murder and treason, and I dont think there have been many (if any) executions because of treason in recent history. I think there are also restrictions on who you cant execute, as in no one under 18 and no retards. Usually its at the discretion of the presiding judge.
     
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    I'm unsure how her behavior can even be debated at this point? This lady was originally assigned to prosecute Markeith Loyd: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/us/orlando-police-shooting-arraigned/index.html

    The State of Florida has the death penalty on the books, she is the Attorney General elected to uphold and prosecute the law of the land to the best of her ability. Based on the charges Markeith Loyd is accused of committing it is safe to assume that the public and municipality she works in should expect the murderer of pregnant women and police officers to be facing execution. With that said, she is either incomptent or performing her role in an activist manner; neither of which should be acceptable. My assumption is that she is anti-death penalty which is absolutely fine. I don't think it is used correctly in every case either but I also believe that the public needs reliable civil servants to prosecute their duties correctly. For that, she is wrong and should either step down in protest or have requested the death penalty cases in her purview be transferred to others.
     
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    Is it up to the AGs discretion on whether or not to seek the death penalty? Or is it codified when you seak it? If the latter, she needs to move the fuck on. If it is to her discretion they need to remove the discretion part and define when it should be applied.
     
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    I don't know, I'm generally for the death penalty but don't think the murder of two people is enough to be executed for. That's kind of the thing about the death penalty, a lot of people need to agree that it's a worthy punishment and in this particular case I think whether or not it's heinous enough of a crime to be worth it is up for a lot more debate than you're giving it credit for.
     
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    I'm kind of wondering how many Australians know where Minnesota is on a map now
     
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    It seems when Minneapolis police aren't shooting women, they're shooting friendly comfort-service dogs in their own locked backyard.

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    What. The fuck. Is wrong with them?
     
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    Since our politicians are clearly the law and order type, the only thing police will understand is when you start shooting them or burning down their houses with their families in it. It's the blue line and you aren't on their side of it. Police officers aren't smart people, if they were smart, they wouldn't be police. This goes all the way up to their leadership, they are a tribe and you are not a part of it, they don't care what you think. When they refer to you as a civilian and themselves as law enforcement it should be clear that they are apart from you.This can be extended to the whole problem minorities have with law enforcement; it goes beyond minorities, it is purely a policing problem and law enforcement need to be brought to heel. Until we un-militarize our police, or people force them to cut this shit out we won't have a fix.
     
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