But Seriously...

A lot of you people wonder why I hate cops so much; well, ODEN just spelled it out much better than I could have.
No, it is not just cops harassing convicted felons (my case), they also do it to people with no criminal record who haven't done anything.

Trust me, Jungle Julia has some stories. Reasons for being pulled over and searched include: Not accelerating fast enough when the speed limit changed and dirty license plate.

 

I've gotten really sick of the excessive bitching about the police. I've had run ins with cops who acted like assholes for no reason. Yeah, it's shitty and needs to be changed, but your odds of getting shot for no reason no matter how black, white, or whatever the fuck else you are are slim to none. So 2-4 times in your life a cop harassed you for like 15 minutes? Ok, that's wrong, but stop acting like it's some mental breaking never get over it end of the world horror.

I agree that we have problems with our policing that need to be examined, but the amount of hate people have towards them these days is getting absurd.

Also, you guys that bite on every story as if every rare totally unwarranted shooting is something every cop does are fucking retarded. Really.

 

I've been blessed with nothing but good encounters with police in my time. But I also know enough to kiss so much ass that it gets embarassing, and there's a real reason for that. If you're not white, there's more than a slim chance that a cop harassing you can turn even uglier, right fucking quick.

That's what's so hard to let go. The thought that someone charged with serving the public and upholding the law might just turn on you. And why? Jesus, let me count the reasons (I'm not white, but I'm fucking lucky not to be a woman)

Every time a cop fires his weapon and it isn't justified is a reason for protest, because the longer you let that shit slide, for whatever reason, the more it becomes the norm, like it is up north where I'm from in Manitoba. Getting killed is a VERY VERY real possibility.

 

I've said it before and people agreed, my biggest issue with modern policing is if a cop decides to arrest you and take you to jail there is no way out of it. Yes, you may get out on bail, and not get charged, but you are getting a free lyft ride to the jail where they give you free room and board for the night, no questions asked.

However, once an officer decides to arrest you, thats it, you are going, there is no discussion, which i think is fundamentally bullshit. Once they decide to arrest you things have changed dramatically and you have no recourse against being placed in custody.

 

As I mentioned, if someone says I object to being arrested, show me proof, the officers will likely say -stop resisting-. with a taser or an elbow to the back of the head.

And guess what, you now have another more serious charge, resisting arrest, because they can and they may want to punish you

 

I predict this does not end well:

Tennessee inmates get reduced sentences for sterilization

What kind of lunk head thought this was a good, let alone legal, idea?

 

Except it isn't. The Washington Post did a study (can't find it this second, but I've posted it back in the thread) and found that something like 2% of police shootings showed evidence that the cop acted in a completely unwarranted manner. Something like 5% was considered questionable. People think it's stupid to actively worry about dying in a terrorist attack. Well, you're about as likely to get shot by a cop for no reason as you are to die in a terrorist attack. Less likely based on the data I've seen, no matter how minority you are.

Also, while blacks have been shot by cops in higher proportions than whites they're also more than twice as likely to commit violent crimes. I know people like to act as if that fact is irrelevant, but it's obviously not. If you run the numbers to try to show that blacks are being targeted the data actually doesn't back up the narrative whatsoever. It's like the wage gap bullshit. The people pushing it are looking for one statistic in a vacuum while ignoring the larger picture and other relevant stats because it doesn't support their claims.

The whole discussion annoys me because I have major issues with policing in this country as well, but I'm really tired of hearing some cry baby minority babble about how they constantly fear for their lives because the whites are out to kill them. If that's how they feel then they're an irrational moron and frankly it isn't my problem. Especially when you consider how much likelier it is that they'll be killed by someone who isn't white.

Also whenever I point this stuff out the typical response is "but you're WHITE! Clearly you have to blindly accept whatever I say because you're so white." Sorry, but that's a fucking terrible argument. It would never occur to me to tell someone that they have to blindly accept whatever I say because they're a different skin color than me and it's baffling that people think that's an acceptable stance.

That said there has been a real issue where in the rare incidences of unwarranted shootings the cops didn't face justice, and yes it definitely needs to be addressed, uncommon or not.

See, to me that's the real problem. They're quick to act like assholes and act as if they don't get 100% obedience they have free reign. However, while it's not impossible that you could get shot by a cop while just minding your own business, it is extremely, extremely unlikely.

 

I know that was a little over the top, but after reading it like a thousand times in articles and hearing on news networks "I fear for my life every day that I'm going to get shot by the cops just because I'm black," it starts to piss me off.

 

You suck. That's the reason. Just say your police department sucks and save us the line of bullshit.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/...-days-after-officer-fatally-shot-a-woman.html

 

If you have a point then go ahead and make it because just saying what I said was bullshit is totally meaningless. What part of it was bullshit?

 

There is nothing to argue here. What's going on there is a fucking disgrace.

 

Well, yes, that case is a disgrace. If that's your point, well yeah...

 

It's really hard to read this as a "cry baby minority" and not rail on you personally, but seeing as that isn't particularly helpful I won't. What I do take exception to is your utter inability to have empathy for minorities that have hundreds of years of discriminatory baggage. That's why you are able to distill all of those fears down to a single digit percentage point. Do you know why you're able to do that? Because you have never had your ethnicity or orientation used as a tool to hurt you. Your very identity, along with the all of the associated stereotypes, slurs, beatings, lynchings and rapes to go with it. To have who you are reduced to a word that is spit at you with hundreds of years of hatred and malice behind it makes you feel like the smallest thing in the world. There is nothing you can say to someone who uses a slur like that against you. There is literally no word that carries the same weight against white people that slurs against minorities do. Why do you think the first response to a slur is shocked and angry silence?

This is why you can call minorities cry babies without a hint of guilt. Indeed, the very cries of those that do have to fear EVERY interaction with police, fill you with disgust and annoyance. You live in a world where everybody is equal and can rise and fall on their own merits. It's why you scream about violent black crime. It doesn't occur to you that those numbers might just be a teensy bit off because police have been trumping up bullshit charges on black people for generations. Or the fact that those crimes might occur because white politicians enacted policies like the war on drugs and other policies that make it difficult to live as a law-abiding citizen after a felony conviction. That is why minorities don't care about violent crime statistics. That is why when cops shoot minorities at a higher rate than whites, they protest and fucking riot.

"You're white" is a perfectly acceptable response to whatever bullshit statistics you bring up. Of course it would never occur to you to tell other people to accept what you say based on your skin color because society already fucking does. It's baffling to you because you've never had to beg the majority of the people in the country you live in to believe you when those same cops that treat you so terribly are the same ones that give the majority a warning for shit you'd be locked away for. Minorities have been begging for recognition of police injustice against them for years. It was only after a rash of protests after police involved shootings that some white folks said, "I think these Negroes are trying to tell us something."

But you don't like what minorities are saying, so you write posts like these because you don't want to live in a world where people are treated unequally. It would be amazing to live in that world, but until people like you stop believing equality exists for everybody, we will never have it.

 

I should have phrased part of that post better, but are you seriously calling relevant statistics and hard data just "bullshit" now?

I'm not saying race is unrelated, but these issues are more complex than just folding your arms and saying racism is bad. You don't think gang culture is related? You don't think the fact that we have a much higher homicide rate than other first world nations is related? You don't think the number of children born out of wedlock is related to higher crime rates?

See, to me this mentality is just really short sighted. If you don't like what some data point says you just dismiss it and say people are racist. If you really think the statistics are all just useless because it's a bunch of racists pretending black on black murders happened that never did then I'm really not sure what to tell you.

 

Gang culture was created because black men were jailed and couldn't be fathers! These boys needed a paternal figure in their lives and gang leaders became that. Who do you think jailed those black men? Hint: They're affluent, and white. How would you expect boys to grow up when the only men left in their lives are drug dealers, fiends and pimps that treat people like obstacles?

Also, don't you think that there might be some correlation between gang culture and the easy access to firearms that might have something to do with homicide rates?

In my own city of Seattle, minorities were pushed into the south side of the city. Guess what happens when you shove a bunch of people into institutionalized ghettoes and have a racist police force? Guess where most of the gun violence occurs in Seattle? In fact, the DOJ found that Seattle PD was so fucking racist that they threatened to take the entire department over! Liberal Seattle!

You see numbers, but you don't see why those numbers were generated. When people like you start giving a shit about the why, then minorities will give a shit about the numbers.

 

So a major city police chief who is also openly gay and a woman was just forced into resignation because a black cop killed an unarmed white woman.

I am absolutely positive nobody will overreact to this.

 

I wasn't finished.

And FURTHER MORE the mayor who forced the chief out, they hate each other, that mayor likes wearing hijabs, and guess what religion the cop is.

Plus all the bullshit that YOU just described.

...whew. There. NOW you can start playing "Entrance Of The Gladiators". Enjoy the rest of your summer, Twin Cities! Arm yourselves.