Sorry we don't give away the government's monopoly on force to shitbird communist because we think it's a righteous cause. That's not how civil societies work. You cant stop retard racist from being retard racist, not giving them social influence can't justify lawlessness. We have to work it out a different way.
Guys. It was a lighthearted quip. I'm not shedding any tears over a guy at a KKK rally being maced, but I'm also not advocating for government-sanctioned violence within its own country.
Except, you know, when they drive a car in to a crowd of people or go into a church and execute the people inside.
The problem though is the tacit approval of the actions by groups of non government entities carrying out the violence. It shouldn't be tolerated on either side. I don't get the down playing either, boogey men? Not like communism/socialism and resulting authoritarianism hasn't caused protracted death and suffering in order of magnitudes more than anything else in the 20th century. We shouldn't accept racist ideologies or violent communist ideologies (that cloak their bullshit in the rightous cause of fighting facism).
I'm not condoning those actions, at all... quite the opposite... but let's keep shit grounded... that was one guy who did that... it wasn't the whole group who showed to run down everyone with their cars. In the same manner I could say that Antifa was there to physically harm the protestors, because there's a pic of one guy trying to light them on fire. Spoiler: pic But that, too, would overgeneralize things and remove the nuance and truth from the matter. In reality, both actions are not representative of what happened or who was involved, but it's too fucking easy to dumb it down to that, and that's what gets reported by the media. He's a problem, but he wasn't at that rally. What you are seeing there is a bunch of fuckhead trailer trash idiots who represent the extreme fringe of a Trump supporter, but who is pushed to that for a lot of the same reasons that a lot of other Trump supporters voted for the idiot... voters who are not neo-Nazis extremists, but they feel somewhat similar... they feel attacked and threatened. They obviously don't have the same belief system, but that sense of attack is still there. What you are seeing there is not the problem, it is a minor result of the problem. That's the point that I think everyone is missing. NOTHING you do there, against those people, will stop or in any way impact what the real problem is. It seems like the entire American populace is separating off into their own racial, financial, political groups, and are pointing at the others and blaming them for their problems, and this is one of the outcomes. Trump is one of the outcomes. You fuckheads used to be proud of the fact that you could all come together and band together and fight the enemy, and you've now become each other's enemy Time and time again when you disenfranchise people they will band together out of a sense of survival... that's how Hitler came to power in the first place. And the internet and immediate global communication has done nothing but enable that. You guys have to get your shit together and learn to live peacefully with each other and stop with the "us vs them" bullshit. ALL OF YOU... not just some fuckheads waving the confederate flag. Just sayin.
You're responding to one of aetius' posts here, not mine. But if you really want to spend your energy in the wake of all this focusing on clutching your pearls at the thought of KKK members and Neo-Nazis getting beaten up then you do you, man.
Did you think I was no-true-scotsman-ing the guy like "oh if he was trying to light a Confederate flag on fire then he's not really Antifa no matter what he says because that's not what they're about, man"? Because they're a defined group of people who are very easy to spot and he's just literally not one of them.
Pearl clutching, thats rich, I like how you're implying I support these dickweeds ideals because Im defending them from vigilantism violence. Fun times. Seriously, Im curious to how you guys think we are to respond to these asshats(Neo nazi's/white nationalist)? Antifa thinks violence is justified since the ideologies in the past have lead to large amounts of human suffering. I get the sentiment but don't agree with there methods, the same rational could again be just as easily applied to them given the communist history. Instead of looking the other way what should be the proper course for our society and the governments role in it?
No, that is not what I'm implying. But I guess it's good to experience firsthand how you can say one thing and have it only be heard as "you're a Nazi!!!"
Not to speak for nett but I kinda have the same viewpoint, and I guess a good way to explain it is that metaphor where it's not what you say it's what people hear. I'm sure there were a lot of groups there with a lot of really good messages. Unfortunately, it's all drowned out because the whole thing looks like shit.
I thought this was about the picture and they're not antifa thing? If someone who fucked a nazi wants to call someone a nazi, I kinda feel like they got that right though. You literally cannot know what makes a nazi any more intimately than after that.
I mean, the post was responding to Kubla, not Nett. But if there's still doubt about Kubla and you're saying I need to fuck him to know where he really stands for the sake of the board then, Kubla, let's do this.