The 308 is a mean round if that ends up being the case. I initially said I didn't think so just because it's expensive, and the capacity in AR10's with the 308 isn't generally as high, but I guess if he went as far as to modify a 308 for full auto (or bought one that was), then he'd likely also have access to those insane capacity magazines and/or belts. I've shot hundreds of 308 rounds through AR10s and those things just disintegrate whatever they hit. Some of the reports made it sound like he was basically walking the fire through the crowd in bursts. Just insane. And in the videos you can hear how quickly he reloaded, dude had to have a massive amount of ammo stocked up and ready to go, plus magazines and everything. It's gonna be disgusting when all the details on this come out. You don't procure weaponry like that without someone knowing something.
Local news this morning was saying there were over 200 loaded magazines in the room. He's been planning this a long time. I hope they come across some reason for it other then "The dude was just fucking nuts."
I wonder if the outrage fatigue sets in. I mean, Hillary has already made a tasteless statement about silencers, a number of politicians are falling all over themselves to make this about them or advance and agenda, and from all measures, the shooter was just a pretty stodgy old white dude. The worst his neighbors had to say about him was what they'd say about anyone minding their fucking business (Unfriendly). I agree with Toy Toy: why someone does this simply can't be written off to "garden variety nuts".
They're gonna find something (if they haven't already). You don't just procure an automatic weapon or convert a semi auto without leaving a trail. You can convert a semi-auto to fully auto in your home with a google search and some gunsmithing ability. I'm not going to link to it on here but if you're curious you can find out how. The police are going to check that guy's Internet search history and I think are going to find a treasure trove. Or if he went to the black market for an automatic "as is," the way he made those connections, it had to start somewhere. They're going to find out. Regarding clinton's tweet, fuck her. Not only is it horrible to politicize something like this, she is just plane wrong about silencers -- rather, "suppressors" -- and how they work. Everyone is looking for a magical, singular solution to prevent an act like this. There are none. You can do things to try to prevent lone wolf attacks, to make them more difficult, and you can certainly do things to increase the safety of soft targets. But you cannot stop them completely. So you can choose to live in fear, hoping someone implements that magic pill, or you can realize that statistically you are more likely to die in your car on the way to work tomorrow than you are in one of these attacks.
That statement was referencing a vote supposed to happen regarding making silencers accessible to civilians today. How is it tasteless? The fact is that law enforcement and emergency responders would have had significantly greater difficulty had the direction of fire been obscured somehow.
Not speaking to the validity of your statement because it is something I know very little about. I don't know if someone reference this already, but I saw reports that the way they found him was the smoke alarms going off in his room from all of the shots And smoke being generated
The people who just “go nuts” don’t traditionally haul in that much gear. The crazies who snap bring a hand gun to the office or gun down a family law attorney when the custody battle goes south. Maybe even a school shooting on classmates like at columbine. This guy was a one man militia who went gta on a crowd. There HAS to be something that motivated this. I just don’t know what. Not too many hard lefties typically have that much fire power. But then why would a hard line right winger target a group that mostly contained other right wing people? Nothing makes sense.
Causality update: 59 dead, 527 wounded They retrieved 18 guns from his house, he had 17 with him in the motel room.
I don't know if you meant to imply it this way, but Columbine most definitely wasn't a "they just snapped" type thing. The level of planning they did was astounding. If anyone's morbid curiosity about these type of events is piqued I highly suggest Dave Cullen's book titled Columbine.
Uh yeah, if I were the cops I'd go grab that crazy eye nervous nellie brother and bring him in for questioning ASAP. How the fucking hell do you acquire that many weapons without someone knowing something? That's enough to arm a fucking militia!
I think there was definite planning involved but not on the scale of this shooting. But I would need to read more to be sure.
The seeming randomness of it is so goddamn unnerving. Usually by this time of the news cycle, if it wasn't obviously politically motivated or revenge-oriented from the beginning, there's SOME kind of reason why that's starting to be unearthed. Either there's a mental health narrative forming that shows they just fucking snapped, or a criminal and/or violent history is coming out, or a letter or manifesto is found. Something to get even a little clue from. But to have something so clearly premeditated with no hints as to why, and everyone in his life being totally taken off guard is giving me the creeps. Yeah there's the thing about his dad, but would a hereditary mental health issue suddenly manifest in your sixties making you go from zero to mass murderer with no warning? I don't mean to say that explanations for previous incidents excuse them or even have them make sense to me, but if it ends up just being completely meaningless that's such a scarier realm. Maybe the girlfriend will have something to say. Maybe they found something in his place and just aren't releasing it yet. With all the parallels being drawn between now and the sixties and seventies, I've been wondering what the modern equivalent to the era where serial killers and cults ballooned might be. Maybe mass shootings without any kind of motive are the answer to the former.
The sheriff just said he had ammonium nitrate in his car. Maren Morris just released a song she had written three years ago, said on her facebook there was no time better than the present to release it and that everything she earns from it is going to the Music City Cares Fund.
I'm with you, audrey. It IS totally unnerving and scary. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that sort of individual evil. I just don't understand that level of disregard for human life. To the point that I don't think it can be that. There HAS to be more. I'd even accept MK Ultra mind control gone wrong, at this point.
He was so far off he didn't see their faces when he shot them. He was just shooting into a crowd. Sure, he had to know he was going to kill people, but to me there's a difference between someone like that, and someone who goes on a murdering spree and kills people with their hands (which to me is an evil even more harder to grasp). He was just shooting ants. He was psychologically removed from it.
I keep thinking that once they get a beat on where he obtained the weapons used in the shooting, maybe some sort of motive will emerge, but if it's anything like this it'll just make it all even more baffling. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...phen-paddock-passed-background-checks-n806921 The guns traced so far don't seem to be those used in the shooting, in time they should be able to trace some of the firearms, but if it was self modified and legally purchased, what does that really lead to? My understanding thus far is that he had no meaningful criminal background. They found tannerite in his home in addition to the ammonium nitrate in his car. It looks like this was planned for a long time, with several methods considered, until he settled on the one that he thought would allow him to kill as many people as possible. They're now saying his girlfriend is in Tokyo, and maybe she knows something, but the guy doesn't seem as if he was some sort of anti-social nut job, or fit any kind of discernible profile.
I agree with you guys, I can't make heads or tails out of this. I have read that he owned multiple planes and the AP reported that his brother said he was a multi-millionaire real estate developer to boot. On top of that ISIS is still claiming this attack and this guy as one of their own. Which......I don't know what to believe, I don't recall them claiming attacks that weren't theirs or going so far as to call the by his supposed islamic name. Too crazy. I'm sure in the next 24 hours the narrative will change completely as some solid fact enters the picture.
I just don't think the human mind can wrap itself around someone doing something this awful just for shits and giggles. Even a messed up ideology makes more sense. He had to of reserved that room weeks, if not months, prior to acting. He spent all that time acquiring ammunition, loading magazines, packing all the guns and ammo up to his room. He had a police scanner. He had a hammer to break out the windows. He set up surveillance cameras in the hallway. And then he sat in that room for 3 days just waiting for the time to strike. The whole time from the moment he reserved the room till he opened fire, he had a chance for enlightenment....a "Hey this is fucked up" moment....and to just go home. But he didn't. My brain just can't accept all this plotting and planning....for no reason other then he felt like doing it. There has to be some reason. People don't just take out crowds for no reason. Or do they? That last question is what has my brain doing flip flops at the moment.
But you're trying to apply logical person reasoning to an illogical act. Considering by definition almost you have to be on the spectrum of mental illness to commit such a crime, then maybe such an an act makes sense to them? Maybe the dude just really wanted to kill himself and figured hey, if I'm gonna do that anyway, why not take a bunch of people with me and put myself in the history books? Not saying I think that was his reasoning, but that's the kind of mindset those people have. The Colorado theater shooter had some kinda point system where he figured each person he killed was one point and each one he wounded was worth half a point. He was playing it like a video game trying to get a high score.