Part of the point of why people protest is to take something that's been a problem and part of everyday life for one group of people and make it a problem and part of everyday life for other people. If it's being pushed to the forefront and becomes inescapable, then it's more difficult to ignore or relegate to the sidelines. If it affects more people - even if it's in the way of dealing with the protests and not the problem itself - than more people are going to try and help solve the problem, even if it's for the less-than-ideal motivation of simply being tired of the protests. It's not going to work perfectly, especially on a person-by-person basis, but that's part of why protests can be effective.
You mean except for the stories that just came out about a powerful film executive committing numerous acts of harassment, assault and rape over the years and being protected by those around him? And you'd have to be willfully ignorant to think it isn't widespread and just as common in countless other industries where people aren't as famous and the victims have less recourse. The second part has been discussed over and over. Where and when would it be most convenient for you that people protest/express their feelings on the parts of our country and society that they feel should be improved? Because every time anything is done there is always backlash that it isn't the time or the place. Can't cause a disturbance for people on their way to work, can't momentarily interrupt them from watching their lord and savior Tom Brady. So when is an acceptable time to discuss these things?
No, someone gets accused of this by multiple women they usually get fired immediately. How is it a sexist society just because a crime can happen? Just about any other place or time. Again, you act like no one knew about this issue before the recent NFL kneeling. That's obviously not true. As for the idea that protests accomplish something solely because they get attention - I just don't get why people think that. Besides, I doubt that people are supporting this because of the belief it would ever doing something so practical as accomplishing something. They like seeing their views echoed in other forums. Seriously, when was the last time liberal protests accomplished something meaningful? Seems like it's been awhile. Then again if you're protesting wage gaps that don't exist, police shootings where some thug pulled a gun on the cops,'rape culture', not getting your way in an election, or any of the other unfathomably stupid protests a minority of the country has cheered on while most people cringed - how exactly would it accomplish anything?
We get that and no one is saying that police brutality isn’t happening, or that everyone has the same advantages growing up, despite some real questions about why (be that the assholes that bait police, and familial structure or culture) these things are happening and what we can do about it. I’m not an asshole to people of color, I’m not a cop, and I sure as hell have no affect on the rest of the world. I’m not the person this protest is going to change. While I am sympathetic to those who are good people and get shafted by life (not monopolized by minorities or in this protest African Americans), like others I’m tired of dealing with this on a daily basis with no where to get away from it. Sports were an area where I could shut down and enjoy mindless entertainment and now I keep seeing these protests that, frankly, piss me off. I can only imagine how those who don’t beleive that the protests are about real issues feel and I’m sure there will be some sort of blow back that only makes things worse. Race relations (from the outside looking in) started to go backwards during President Obama’s two terms and have without question gotten worse since then. It benefits none of us for it to continue getting worse, but that’s where we appear to be headed when someone sympathetic to the issues is tired of dealing with the shit daily.
Maybe I'm a horrible person, but after reading through the Weinstein allegations I actually don't care very much. So 20 years ago a creeper asked you to watch him masturbate and you left the hotel room? Uhhh ok, pretty sure every woman has an incident or two like that. The guy is a total scumbag, no doubt, but I guess I was expecting more serious crimes. How the fuck is anyone comparing this to the Crosby cases? That was rape. This was basically the equivalent of having a weirdo hit on you. One of those is traumatizing, the Weinstein stuff was more like really awkward and inappropriate. Bad, sure, but not exactly the same thing.
So... at what point does it stop? What has to happen for the protests to end? Or is it just more of the same "start the discussion" and "raise the awareness" platitudes, rather than outlining something concrete and constructive and measurable? Because I'd say the discussion has been ongoing for quite a while now, even based on our little message board here... and the awareness is just about as high as it can get. What's next? I'm going to go out on a limb and take a guess that nobody can answer that.
Case in point... MLK's civil protests. They all had specific goals that they hoped to achieve, so they knew when to stop. https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/...d-civil-rights/Montgomery-bus-boycott-1955-56 Whether it was segregation, voting rights, etc., they were protesting for something, so that people would be pressured into doing a specific thing. The current protests have no such focus, just like Occupy Wall Street... and as a result it will suffer the same fate, I think.
You'd have to ask or listen to or read the people who are actively participating in the protest. I have my understanding of it, but I was speaking to the questions about why protests were happening in areas that typically are (considered to be) free from politics, and the idea of protests in general, not this specific one.
The thing is, there aren't any clear messages coming out of the protests. None. I've looked. And that's a big part of the problem, because there's no action for us to take, which makes a bunch of us ask why the fuck do we have to deal with it if there's nothing we can do about it anyway? It's like we're being held ransom but there aren't any demands.
The question I have is what am I supposed to do when the demand is about a problem that doesn't even exist? What the fuck am I supposed to do about a wage gap that isn't there? Or a rape culture that isn't a thing? Should I petition politicians to put innocent cops in jail? Should I boycott video games because some fucktard interpreted a message that isn't even there?
Back to back Even though your "what he did was not really that big of a deal" schtick is horseshit there is also this.
This argument cuts both ways. Why are you constantly complaining about shit if it's so great here? Hell, let's take football. It's a product you can't get anywhere else on earth, yet one minor thing you don't like happens and you can't take it anymore. By your standards you just need to stop whining and put up with it instead of doing something about it. You have your ice cream, so why bitch about not getting your cherry on top?
Your such a lovely white knight, Gravy. Really, I'd love to give you a gold star. Seriously though, the article I read didn't talk about the rape allegations. That's a lot more serious than what I read. As far as the idea that there is a rape culture because every woman has met a creeper at some point, that's just really, really dumb.
Jerking off in front of a woman is not standard creeper behavior. The fact that you think it is points to a problem we have in this culture. Imagine saying that to your mom. "oh a guy just jerked off in front of you, that's no big deal." Jesus christ.
Yeah, it's creepy when it happens. I called him a scumbag in the same post. He is, everyone knows that. What the fuck are you so upset about? Look, you're too much of a dumbass for me to waste more time arguing with you. There is no pro rape mainstream culture. It's a stupid talking point that stupid people say.
So you think a woman being forced to watch a guy masturbate because he threatened their career since he is the most powerful person in Hollywood is something that people should expect and get over?
Why do you read a post, especially one that short, completely rephrase it to pretend I'm saying something different than I did, and then ask that question? Are you just being a troll or is that a serious question?
Actually that is a good question he posed and a serious one. Please don't get defensive or be nasty because you learn new info about a situation that calls into question your first knee-jerk reaction. Carry on, and settle down.
Well, to be clear then, yes, I think that's pretty gross. The article I read was saying he propositioned them, not forced them to watch. They're both pretty nasty, but there is a big difference there, at least to me. It also didn't mention the rape allegations, which really changes the story. I suppose it's my fault for basing my opinion on an article that was obviously missing a lot of details.
It is most definitely quid pro quo in the work place. It's not as though they could really say no. There are thousands of girls out there who want to be an actress and the ones that say yes are likely the ones that get the part, right? I have to take that training every six months for my company, it is a HUGE deal outside of hollywood and should not be tolerated in the workplace.