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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Nettdata

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    Or you live in a high population density area, and odds are you can't afford to golf in the three-story driving range with the nets around it.

    There are a few of those in Vancouver that are beside highways or close to residential areas and have the high netting.
     
  2. toytoy88

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    Very interesting. Memphis just announced that their Confederate statues will come down tonight. It seems they have just sold their public parks to a private entity who will remove the statues immediately. No word on what they plan on doing with Forrest and his wife's remains.

    I wasn't aware you could sell public property to a private entity on a whim.


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    Law of Unintended Consequences, etc.

    How's that tax reform working out so far? My wife counts beans for a living, she already knows we're the losers in this deal.
     
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    My parents' property taxes are already double the SALT cap, before you even get to their state income tax. Amazing how transparently they targeted blue states with that provision. Republicans have zero interest in governing for anyone that didn't vote for them.
     
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    Wow. As details of what happened in Memphis come out, no matter how you feel about Confederate statues and grave sites, you have to find it alarming.

    At around 3PM city council voted on an anonymous bill and passed it. At 4PM the mayor announced the parks had been sold to a private entity. By 5 PM the police had surrounded the parks as the "Private entity" began removing assets from their newly acquired properties.

    The properties, worth millions of dollars, were sold to a group headed by a county commissioner for $1K each. There were no public notices of the impending sale, no hearings, no bidding process. Just the city council and mayor colluding to transfer public property to a fellow elected official for a token pittance. And then using the publicly funded police force to protect their acts.

    That's just frightening.
     
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    I'm betting the end-game is to sell it all back for the same price after they've been removed.

    Odds are there are laws on the books restricting the allowable actions that local government can take with public lands, and this short circuits that process, letting them remove that stuff today instead of maybe 3 years from now.
     
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    Nope...at least not according to public statements.

    "Shelby County Commissioner Van Turner is the president of Memphis Greenspace, Inc. He said the organization has raised money from anonymous donors to remove the statues and to operate the park going forward."

    There is no doubt they did this to by-pass existing laws, however I'm not sure how legal their whole transaction is and the ramifications of allowing such transactions. Suppose they'd done the same type of transaction with a library because they didn't like some of the books in there? That's a big problem.
     
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    Does the library only have one book and it’s an oversized bronzed version of Mein Kampf? If so I’m ok with it.
     
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    I can't help but think that there are signed documents sitting in a drawer somewhere that reverts things back.

    Otherwise, if the headlines alone are to be believed, they've just openly set themselves up for some serious charges. Breach of the Public Trust is a pretty big deal in most jurisdictions.
     
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    From the little I read it requires the new owners to continue the operations as a park so it looks like an attempt to do this solely to remove the monuments. But this seems short sighted to me in that its probably a near certainty that within the next few years this method will be used with more ill intentions and the precedent will be set already. In this case it appears that they were pretty open about what and why they did what they did. And I think some of the justification is that the law stating they can’t remove the monuments was changed in order to make it near impossible to remove the monuments once this became a hot button issue recently. But still seems like they’re opening themselves up to a lot.




    Also, hannity just criticized NBCnews for not covering this uranium one thing while linking to an article NBC news wrote about it.

    This is just funny for how embarrassingly stupid it is, but there’s stuff like this on a daily basis. We really can’t find anyone better to do these jobs?
     

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    If they basically bought the park and have to continue to operate it like a park, including all maintenance, etc, then it's going to cost them a hell of a lot more than the $1k they paid for it, the city saves on operating expenses, and there's probably some stipulation that it can't be anything other than a public park.

    That kind of makes sense, and I could see how that would actually benefit the public good in the long run... with the added benefit that they get to remove the monuments/statues.

    I wonder if it's a public, non-profit society that purchased the land, as opposed to some private entity looking to capitalize off of the purchase?
     
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...le-memphis-takes-down-its-confederate-statues


    From what this article says it’s a non profit that raised about $250,000 to maintain and operate the park. Not a private entity.

    And in the article it says they did it this way to get around the “Tennessee Heritage Protection Act” which forbids removal, relocation or renaming of a memorial on public property.
     
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    Here's some fun insight into Memphis politics...

    The company hired by the non profit to remove the statues is called All World Property Management. They were founded by Michael A Hooks Jr. He is a former school board member indicted for corruption for skimming public money from the juvenile court system. His father Michael Hooks Sr, a county commissioner, was indicted for bribery in the same investigation. They both pleaded guilty.

    But I'm sure this is all above the board.

    EDIT: ...and now the statues are back on public property.
     
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    Actually, I think I know exactly what they're up to. The non profit LLC is not a non profit, they have applied for non profit status, but that status is still pending. What better way to get your application denied then to be involved in a shady business deal before you actually are what you claim to be? The sale will be negated and the lands will transfer back to the city, minus the statues, which are already conveniently stored on public property.

    Memphis politics y'all....always entertaining.
     
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    Whatever it is, my gut feeling is that this is WAY too public to be nefarious... there's NO WAY those politicians are THAT stupid... for real... I hope... please?
     
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    Thanks for the laugh
     
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    Moore personally lead a worship around that stupid monument. Has even read the 10 commandments, or was he trying to be the most ironic person in history when he did that?
     
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    The article confuses me a little. My ISP providers have always offered different price levels for differing speeds. Right now, I have gigabit fiber(supposedly). I could have paid less and got a slower connection. Is that what they mean by fast lanes?