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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. CharlesJohnson

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    Because it happens so often people are relieved it's just another loon. We're in a perpetual state of war (supposedly) with terrorists. We're still more likely to get blown away at school or watching a movie.

    It's just funny is all.
     
  2. toytoy88

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    Wow.

    Here's how out of touch with reality the dude was:

    This is referring to one of his rasicm/discrimination lawsuits.

     
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    Just to throw something else out there for a second, I found this article interesting.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/opinions/marshall-weinstein-three-year-college/

    I really agree. Not just to save money, but time as well. I'm very in favor of a well rounded education, but it should be more optional than the standard currently allows. If I counted all the irrelevant classes I took it adds up to at least a year. In my first English class they taught us how to write a thesis and craft an argument. If you can't do that by 18 you don't belong in college. The second English class was an even bigger waste of time. One required should be the max. And don't get me started on the 'never trust whitey' ethnic studies class I had to take and my rambling dingbat of an anthropology professor. Ok, so I didn't graduate from Harvard. In any case, let kids (sorry most college students aren't really adults) choose to take extra electives and make it a four year degree if they want. A lot of the mandatory stuff shouldn't be required.

    Also, more people need to be honest and accept that they aren't smart enough to make getting a degree worth it. I've seen 'colleges' offer classes like pre-algebra. What the fuck is pre-algebra? Isn't that like 4th grade math? How is this college material? I don't know man, but if you went through 12 years of math and barely made it past counting you probably aren't ready for a degree.

    I knew a coworker's son a couple years back who went to a local community college to make something of himself. His course load, I shit you not was:

    - pre-algebra
    - English, mostly a grammar class that covered things like identifying nouns and verbs
    - how to use a computer. I'm not talking sophisticated excel functions and programming, I mean literally how to use one
    - organizing for success!

    God, it was fucking adorable. Shortly thereafter he had to drop one class so as to not be overwhelmed.
     
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  4. CharlesJohnson

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    Another mentally ill person dies in police custody, arrested over $5 theft.

    You can say these stories are justified, and legally they very well might, but they start adding up. And that is disturbing. Held for three months over 5 bucks; priors be damned.
     
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    So are you upset over the time he spent in jail or that he died in police custody? I mean if dude starved himself, it's kind of on him no? The time seems excessive but the story lacks any details whatsoever on the subject.
     
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    Why not both? Dude needed mental evaluation, but received none. Needed medical attention, but received none. Now he's dead from starvation over $5 worth of merchandise. Even in prison the screws would get him medical attention before starvation killed him. Probably. Most likely.

    The point is some flippant crime escalated to another crazy guy dying around police. That should bother people. Doubt we will ever see the follow up story either.
     
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    Where in the story did you read he didn't? Or are you just assuming he didn't so it can fit what ever narrative you want it to? I say let a third party do the investigation and let us get all of the facts before we decide to burn this mother down. I agree that our justice system is in need of some serious reforms when it comes to petty crimes, or crimes that shouldn't be fucking crimes (see, smoking weed, no front license plate) and we really need to have a national conversation on mental health and maybe reopening, refunding, state mental institutions.
     
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    He didn't receive treatment because he died in a jail cell from starvation instead of a hospital room or a mental ward.

    What you're saying is I can't talk about another instance of the same thing you want to talk about. It's my opinion cops are not equipped to handle mentally ill, and by the look of it, don't care to be. My point was, these stories keep adding up and adding up, but people rationalize it by saying "wait for yet another third party." Which will probably not even make the news.

    You don't find this shitty? I'm not even going to discuss the media aspect. But we have this article making the rounds, so it is a start.
     
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    I'm critical of most social welfare programs, but the mass closure of mental health facilities in this country during the 1960s and 70s has got to be one of the biggest mistakes of the last 100 years.

    Cops are barely equipped to handle normal people, let alone the mentally ill.
     
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    When the now almost normal reaction is to crucify people before they get a fair shake you're damn right Im still going to stick with proper recourse. Talking about the wider issue of the justice system being broken doesn't mean we get to assume these guys are guilty with next to no facts of the case. I'd prefer 3rd party because people investigating themselves seems inherently biased.

    My problem here is that you are wanting to shine a light on the issue, an issue that needs discussion, by assuming they're guilty, as the article lightly brushes against itself. You don't think that's fucked up? Or do the ends justify the means because people might rationalize it and forget about it?
     
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    The story actually specifically said he refused medication. I doubt that it was everything he needed, but apparently medical attention wasn't totally ignored.

    And Kubla is right. I'm not saying this story isn't that simple, but 95% of the time this kind of story pops up it tends to be misleading and misinformed at best. We'll see. As you may remember with Ferguson the initial story was black man stopped for being black, and shot repeatedly in the back, also for being black. Whatever your thoughts on that story, it's obviously not what happened.

    I don't get why everyone always says the media is untrustworthy, irresponsible, full of shit, etc etc etc and then they still jump to preconceived conclusions with hardly any facts. Isn't that what people are always accusing the media of in the first place?
     
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    People like to be outraged, and with some people, the fight to justify the outrage is preferable to objectivity.
     
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    You know what I find amazing? So many many folks are generalizing ALL law enforcement by the actions of a few.

    You could easily do the same thing about any segment of the population and post news stories about it. And you'd catch hell for being a narrow minded bigot. But for some reason it's acceptable to bash all law enforcement now. What does this tell you about society?

    Yes, there are bad cops. There are also bad everyone else. Anymore, it seems that if the cops take out someone they are immediately at fault. There have been very few cases where it has been proven the LEO was in the wrong. Given the political climate in this country, don't you think the grand juries investigating these cases would try to find any way they could to send those cases to a trial?

    When you have a bad day at work your boss may call you out for something or a co-worker may annoy you. You know what a normal day at work for a LEO is? Dealing with the shittiest people on the face of the Earth who lie to them, occasionally attack them, and have nothing but hate for them.

    It's true the police are not equipped to deal with the severely mentally ill. Neither am I or you. If I see a dude acting all fucked up, I avoid them and I imagine you do too. Cops don't have that luxury...their job is to deal with them before they hurt one of the general public.

    I'm actually a very empathetic person, but all this SJW bullshit is driving me completely the opposite direction.
     
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    I worked as a corrections nurse for a time just recently and I can tell you sometimes the ONLY way to deal with a mentally ill person is to either pepper spray them or taze them and give them a shot of Geodon or Ativan until they calm down and have them committed so they can get some meds working in them. The mentally ill are just that, mentally ill and they have absolutely no control over their behavior sometimes. I would say it's the most serious social problem the country faces and it's completely swept under the rug or stigmatized. The dumbest thing this country ever did was the mass closing of mental institutions in the 60s and 70s.
     
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    Because it's currently perceived as the greatest symbol of racism in this country.

    What absolutely blows my mind is how some people seem to sincerely believe that the number of people cops shoot has nothing to do with the bigger problems of crime and violence in this country, but are solely a result of racism and half crazed power rushes. Train cops better. Hold them more accountable. Sure, but you're going to have accept you can't hold them solely responsible for arrests turning ugly, and mentally ill people not being able to function in society.
     
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    Just further proof that all this touchy, feely, special snowflake bullshit is getting way out of hand.

    In Missouri a high school boy has decided he's a girl and is demanding to be allowed to use the girl's locker room. He was offered an gender neutral restroom. Nope. He doesn't want to feel excluded and different.

    Bur...it gets better...

    What. The. Fuck.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/sim...se-trans-student-wants-to-use-girls-bathroom/

    You know what they should do? Take down the Mens/Womens signs on the doors and paint a big dick on one and a big vagina on the other. If you have a dick, you go in the door with a dick and visa versa. No gender stereotyping then.
     
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    It makes you wonder how many people take advantage of this new surge of equality for trans people. Like for instance this MMA fighter who became a woman, yet is still built like a man with the strength of a man and is DEMANDING to fight in women's MMA. She's had two fights where she nearly killed the women with insane, gross knockouts and relentlessly brags about these victories as if she didn't have an unparalleled physical advantage. Are you actually transgendered, or did you have this done to you so you could beat up women? Are you transgendered, or are you just a little pervert who wants to scope out nubile co-eds in the shower with impunity? I'm not saying that they are and there's a good chance that they aren't, but it raises the awareness where there is special privilege you can guarantee there's going to be snakes trying to use it as a con or hustle.
     
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    I think it's pretty easy... I don't give a shit what you "self identify" as mentally, if you were physically born a male, and you compete in physical competition that differentiates by gender, then you compete as a male. And vice versa. Same goes for taking a leak. If you have a dick, you're in the men's bathroom. If you don't, then you're in the women's. If you have issues with it, then suck it up buttercup, and fucking deal.

    Wear a dress, feel like a woman all you want... but you have to accept the fact that you are born with a specific set of equipment, and play by those rules in some situations.

    Either that or get rid of gender altogether.

    That MMA trans competitor? Fuck you... welcome to your weight class, bitch... fight any and all comers, regardless of gender.

    Don't feel comfortable taking a piss in the men's room when you have a dick? Then have unisex bathrooms.

    Feel however you want... self-identify as whatever gender you want... but you can't just arbitrarily enforce your own set of rules on the rest of us.
     
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    This continued into the '80s. One of the first things Reagan did in office was to de-fund federal mental health facilities, just as he did earlier as governor of California.
     
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    Funny enough, he addressed that in the article:

    So, since he doesn't believe them, he is right and we should all believe in his delusions.

    And this is where the SJW's have landed us. A bunch of children's education being disrupted and threatened by one delusional, unemphatic sissy.

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