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Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Revengeofthenerds

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    Several of them, actually.

    If youtube continues on this path, the gun videos won't go away, they'll just go somewhere else. Currently there are a bunch of different video websites trying to fill that void, but the backlash against youtube hasn't hit that point of critical mass so no single alternative video site has really taken off. They will though, if it gets to that point.
     
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    If by some coincidence that was the similar case, she took the hero’s way out.

    Youtube has so many useful videos and now like Google and Twitter they allowed their morality department to become overrun by rainbow-haired twinks. Who think keeping things out of view and blocking information will somehow better people.
     
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    The way people are getting around this, at least for the time being, is that they're putting in the description for the video something to the effect of "This video is for educational purposes only. Do not attempt to recreate or reinact anything anything you see or hear described."

    That's how there's "porn" on youtube, as well as videos detailing how to make bombs.
     
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    That's not working, because people are brigading the video and marking it "innapropriate" which is automatically demonetizing it and flagging it... at which point a human has to come in and evaluate it, but the turnaround time for that to happen is crazy long.

    Ted's Holdover did a pretty good video on this, as he noticed what was going on and pre-emptively took down all his videos and reached out to YouTube before any of that could hit him. (He's a great pellet gun channel). He wanted them to "whitelist" his channel so the auto-tagging algorithms wouldn't affect him, and was in discussions with some manager of content at YouTube to get that happening.

    Just looked, and it seems that he's now thinking all is good and is restoring all his old videos... and the original "hey guys, I just pulled all my vidoes" video is no longer there... too bad, as it had some interesting insight from someone who has almost 500k subs.
     
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    DemolitionRanch is really cool too if you get the chance to check it out. He's at something like almost 4.5 million subscribers and has a little motivation to be scared.

    On his other channel, he put up a cool video about what's going on with youtube and what he's doing with his channel to protect himself.



    (relative part starts at 10:35)
     
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    If her YouTube videos met their standards before she shot up a bunch of people, why did they take them down after?
     
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    She was mad at Youtube for demonetizing the videos she made of her skinning animals alive. Sorry lady, but sometimes beliefs just plain suck and you are on that train.
     
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    The amazing thing is they removed them within minutes of me posting the link to the channel, which was about 45 minutes after she was identified as the shooter. They were right on top of that shit. I still had a tab open at the time that showed the channel and I clicked the link here to make sure I had it correct and....it was wiped clean.

    I didn't see anything like that, however she was a PETA SJW and had some nasty shit of other people doing horrible things to animals.
     
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    They said, she did.... the one thing we know for sure is that the woman had issues. That cheque already came in the mail. Which will make for another monstrous Twitter war where people will somehow put her on a pedestal for standing up for “the bigger picture”.
     
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    She was a "bit pissed" that she had over 300k views, and revenue was $0.10.

    Welcome to the first real "adjustment" for YouTube content creators.

    Up until now, marketing departments have been willing to throw billions of dollars at YouTube channels, but they're starting to realize that the ROI just isn't there. Combine that with the current social media backlash against Facebook, YT ("the guns!"), and Reddit (they've done a huge "clean house" campaign recently), and now the advertisers are in the driver's seat and getting way, way better rates. That means the typical YT revenue drops, significantly.

    The smart people, who actually have "real" content that they can sell, have been moving off YT for quite a while, and have been learning that you don't rely on someone else's system to make money.

    A large number of people who I follow on YouTube have not really been putting out any content lately... at least nowhere near the levels they once did. (DiResta, Samurai Carpenter, Wood Whisperer, etc)

    They became famous on YT during the marketing spending frenzy, so could build out other systems and invest in their brand outside of YT, but then their revenue started to drop while their views were going up, so they started to shift focus; Patreon... custom web sites with monthly fees for content... that kind of thing.

    Their YT channels are kind of like barren billboards that just point you to their real revenue generating pieces... they've now become more like commercials that tease a bit here and there to get you to pony up a few bucks elsewhere.

    YT tried to do that with YT Red, but that's not at all popular. The only real attempt I've seen was with vSauce, and even that wasn't really the huge hit that they were hoping it was going to be.


    I say all that to say this... you now have a whoooole shit-ton of people who have/had nothing other than YT revenue as their main source of income, and it's drying up due to lower marketing spends, or just gone overnight due to kneejerk overreactions to social justice/media "oh my god the guns!" and "safe spaces" (they've hired 10k people to help "clean up" the mess). Now what do they do?

    Well, one of them came unhinged enough to go grab a gun and shoot up who she thought was responsible... a few Google/YT employees having their lunch in their outdoor cafeteria.


    Welcome to The Adjustment.
     
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    Its too bad Pornhub doesnt spin off something for non-porn videos into the mainstream. Aside from the porn, their site is pretty good and intuitive.
     
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    It's pretty damn expensive to do what YT does, at the scale that they do it.

    You need the resources of an Amazon or a Google to really pull it off. Just the raw storage, never mind the compute power required, is quite non-trivial.

    One of the reasons Google can pull it off is that they use a fair bit of "unused" resources that they've provisioned for their Cloud offerings.

    Never mind the actual monetization infrastructure... that would take YEARS to build out, and there's no way you can even start to do this without having it in place.

    Everyone keeps saying, "we need a competitor to YT", but that will be no easy thing to pull off.

    Because after all, everyone wants it for free...
     
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    Yeah it boggles the mind when they quantify how much content is uploaded every minute. Is this one of those areas where laws, like anti trust, haven’t caught up with the technology?

    Turns out the YouTube shooter was actually a pissed off content creator. Her videos almost seem like SNL level parody of what a weirdo youtuber would be.
     
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    It also sounds like she was 39 years old and had no other means of support, so when she was demonetized by YouTube, she had no other income.

    I could see how that could rock someone’s world.
     
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    Are there honestly a lot of people who depend solely on making internet videos to fund their quality of life? I find it hard to believe you can’t make YT videos while also having an actual job.
     
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    The equivalent of getting laid off basically. Not like it means much to categorize this, but I'd call it workplace violence. YT was her employeer essentially, and they pulled the rug out from under her.

    Not that i feel sympathy for her at all. But maybe next time instead of shooting people, how about driving by the campus and giving them the middle finger instead?
     
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    Probably easier understood by a person who is not insane.
     
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    Making videos to support a channel IS work... as more and more content creators are finding out. It's interesting watching them hit that tipping point where they need to spend actual money to create content for the channel, and that takes time. If they assume "only upwards from here", why wouldn't they quit their jobs? All their bills are getting paid, their channel is growing... all roses, right? Next thing you know, they're quitting their jobs so that they can actually do proper production on their videos... and then they get demonetized.

    Imagine you were working your normal job, and then you came in and found out that your paycheck was arbitrarily changed from $5k a month to $25 a month. That would turn your world upside down. At least if you get fired, you get some sort of severance. Imagine people doing this paycheck to paycheck and then just not getting a paycheck. How do you pay rent? Buy food? And who are you going to blame? Certainly not yourself... because you've done nothing wrong or different than what you've always done. It's YT that's fucked your life over. <--- sarcasm

    I think a lot of channel curators have/had no fucking clue how this ecosystem works, and made some silly assumptions, and based on those assumptions went "all in" when they could not really afford to... and are now caught out in the lurch as the bottom falls out of their channel, and potentially their life.

    It's not just the small channels, either... as RoTN mentioned earlier, even big, multi-million subscriber channels like Demolition Ranch are being affected... and they're in full "get all of our eggs out of the single YT basket" mode.
     
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    Demolition Ranch is smart though, and in my opinion is a good example of how to run things with YT. He runs his own vet clinic, and does the channel as a basically gravy on the steak. He's monetizing his subscribers further by sellig apparel and things through his own website, and gotten them brand loyal that way. Then he's already build out his own website enough to support his video content (if/when the migration from YT starts)