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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Crown Royal

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    Just call me Topher

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    I remember people on this board inquiring what kind of hacking method was used for such an insane raiding of privacy when The Fappening occurred. Russia...brute force.... lots of things thrown around.

    .....so now you’re telling me it turns out some skinny geek from the North East asked for their passwords, and they pretty much handed them over?

    Anti-climactic.
     
  2. Nettdata

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    Hot celebrities aren't really known for their technical prowess.
     
  3. Kubla Kahn

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    You hold your tongue the man is a living hero.
     
  4. Crown Royal

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    Never judge a hero by its cover.

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  5. Revengeofthenerds

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    The (in?)famous Kevin Mitnick wrote an incredible book about that very thing.

    I kinda imagine @Nettdata has already read it, but I can't recommend it enough for everyone. It's on amazon right now for $7. As relevant today as it was when it was published in the early 2000s. It's written in a way that's accessible to people of all backgrounds, and the stories he tells are every bit as interesting as they are informative.
     
  6. sisterkathlouise

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    Can we go back to the NRA thing for just a minute though? I think people have every right to say that the NRA kills people because it has actively (and very effectively) lobbied to block research on gun violence for decades. Maybe if people could actually get funding to do studies about gun violence and related policy they could find ways to, you know, decrease gun violence with thoughtful, research-based policy.

    *Edit - I wrote years, I meant decades
     
  7. ODEN

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    What is your definition of murder?
     
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    I can understand people wanting a firearm for recreation, hang on hip (well not really), hang on wall, explode fluffy bunnies, hollow out ducks etc but I'm struggling with people who claim to need a firearm for protection.
     
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    In 1993, a big study came out that found, quite decisively, that having a gun in your home was more dangerous than not having a gun in your home. Then the NRA said, basically verbatim, we can have guns or we can have studies about gun violence, take your pick. (Insert 3 years of political jockeying and NRA lobbying) In 1996, the Dickey Amendment passed, essentially quashing all research on gun violence. Since then, hundreds of thousands of people have died due to gun violence, all the while people aren't allowed to study it like the massive public health crisis that it is.

    Can you imagine if the automotive companies banned research on vehicle safety? I think people would hold them at least partially accountable for vehicular deaths.

    I think it is 100% reasonable to hold the NRA accountable for its impact. I'm not saying that gun lobbyists are going out and shooting people but the NRA's actions have blocked any meaningful research that would have saved lives.

    If you need to aggressively block science and/or research in order to maintain your worldview you're basically an antivaxxer as far as I'm concerned. And I would hold them accountable for the increasing rate of deaths by preventable illnesses, too.
     
  10. ODEN

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    Hold on. The amendment bans funding the studies, it doesn't block access to the data does it? As far as I can tell, the data is out there.

    EDIT: Reading a little closer, it bans advocacy by Government entities. It doesn't even ban the research. Is that correct?
     
  11. sisterkathlouise

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    Research funds, particularly for public health concerns, come from the government. So no government funding = no research. Also, if you talk to anyone in social work/public health/public policy fields they would tell you that putting your name on a published paper that addressed gun violence put your career and future funding in jeopardy. So, no, it's illegal to do the research, it was just very effectively quashed.
     
  12. ODEN

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    Instead of going Hogg wild, why doesn't Bloomberg fund it? The data is out there, must not be as splashy and attention grabby as putting on an uninformed spectacle.
     
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    Oh yeah. "Bloomberg funded study on gun deaths" will definitely be accepted by everyone.
     
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    Perhaps not but at least start grounding the argument in numbers instead of feels. I'm not sitting around watching The Hogg cry for helicopter Government to take the place of his helicopter mom thinking to myself: "Well, the kids are crying on t.v. now, time to give up the Second Amendment." It doesn't work that way.

    Bloomberg or someone else should give that kid and his buddies a coloring book and tell them to sit in the corner and take their bajillions of dollars they are spending on advocacy and focus it in a useful manner - like taking the research that is already done by the CDC and using it for advocacy purposes, they may force the other side to also look at the statistics and who knows what will come of actual analysis, right?
     
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    From the CDC Website, quoting from the Dickey Amendment:

    Prohibition on Use of CDC Funds for Certain Gun Control Activities

    The Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act specifies that: "None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control."

    And the year that the Dickey amendment passed, the government decreased CDC funding by the exact amount that they had spent in their gun violence research division the year prior. This sent the message that studying gun violence would threaten their funding and subsequently their careers and livelihoods.

    Yes, private funds can be used for research on gun violence, and yes, some people have toed the line with federal funding as well, but the reality of that amendment is that it very effectively suppressed research for a long time. Nowhere am I saying to overturn the second amendment, I'm saying research is important for public safety and public health.
     
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    But you ARE saying that NRA are straight murderers, right?

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    Some have it; some don't.

    The ultimate goal on the left whether you are willing to nut up or not is to push for disarmament. You can claim this or that is a sensible measure, you can say it is for the kids, you can call it whatever you like but people who own firearms have different feelings on this.
     
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    More than likely it was so there didn't have to be a public history kept of all of her emails. Every "official" email has a data retention and storage policy attached to it for security/auditing purposes... hers didn't. That's why everyone was screaming when she couldn't produce the emails she was asked for, and someone who appears to be Hillary's email admin was asking onine how to delete hard drives securely.

    https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/20/clinton-email-operator-may-have-asked-reddit-for-help/
     
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    Sandy Hook parents are finally suing Alex Jones. Wouldn’t it be more fun to just shoot him in the goddamn head?
     
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    Well yea, but then bankrupting him wouldn’t be as much fun if he isn’t around to experience it.
     
  20. Revengeofthenerds

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    So this happened to an airplane today.

    Basically an engine failed and broke itself apart, throwing pieces into the fuselage and breaking a window. The broken window caused the plane to depressurize rapidly, and also caused a passenger to be partially ejected from the plane via the window (fellow passengers pulled her back in)

    One person died, and though it has not been confirmed that the fatality was the one who was partially ejected, I think that's a fairly safe assumption.


    Quick question for those familiar with airplanes and the forces at play during: how the ever-loving FUCK does someone get partially ejected through one of those tiny ass windows?!? Unless it was maybe a child or a midget, I don't think I've ever met anyone small enough to fit through one of those things.