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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Crown Royal

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    Think of the strongest vaccuum times a million. Power like that will MAKE you fit through it. I’m surprised she wasn’t torn in two.

    That pilot better be getting so laid tonight. What a champion.
     
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    It turns out she was one of the first female fighter pilots in the USN.
     
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    The size question may explain why it was "partial"
     
  4. Revengeofthenerds

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    Good video explaining the realities of guns and the process of buying them.
     
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    That explains the skills. She saved a lot of lives, so I hope she gets the kudos she deserves.
     
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    If a southwest airlines flight attendant doesn't work that into their safety briefing speech in the next month I'm gonna be super pissed.

    If you've never flown SW, you're missing out. It's like the flight attendants are paid by the joke.
     
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    And why one of the passengers said " there was blood everywhere."
     
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    The dude had his guns taken from him by law enforcement. They released them to his father, who promised he'd keep them away from his son. He gave them back to his son.

    Ol' dad needs to have 4 counts of murder leveled against him.
     
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    He got his guns taken away because he was in the restricted zone around the White House and wouldn't leave when notified of where he was. He apparently got hit with some other charges resulting from his failure to leave.

    I imagine if dad didn't give him back his guns, he could have just asked ANTIFA and said they took them because I was near the White House.

    Bad guys can always get guns.

    Fortunately a smart civilian charged him during his shooting, disarmed him, and stopped the killing.
     
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    He’s a complete accessory. Fuck hum send him up the river.
     
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    No doubt he will be absolutely destroyed. The civil lawsuits alone will take him for everything he's worth and leave him penniless. Y

    our son doesn't all the sudden turn into "naked man shooting up a waffle house." That's like the ending of a joke about Florida. There's a progression with that kinda crazy, like something a reasonable person should see and be like "you know what? Maybe I shouldn't give him a gun, since the government doesn't want him to have any and all that too."

    If you take the responsibility to own a firearm, you also take the responsibility for how that firearm is used, in my opinion. I hope this dad is drawn and quartered
     
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    some interesting, uhm, "prior incidents" with the shooter:

    May 2016: told parents taylor swift was stalking him

    June 2017: went to man's home with rifle while wearing a pink dress

    June 2017: exposed himself to lifeguards at public pool

    July 2017: arrested at white house

    August 2017: told police people were wire tapping his phone and computer

    August 2017: authorities seized 4 firearms from him (which were given to the father, which he then gave back to his son, one of which was used in the shooting)


    How do you not do... something?!? Clearly the guy was crazy, clearly he was an imminent physical threat to others, clearly the last thing he needed was to be in a house with firearms because clearly he was not of the mental state to behave around them in a safe and controlled manner.
     
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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again... y'all don't have a gun control problem, you have a mental health problem. To a lesser extent, we do up here as well.
     
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    Funding for mental health resources need to be increased. People are dropped from care if there is not someone ( a close family member) making them go to their appointments or if they don't have the money to pay for treatment. Some states are better than others. Around here, it is hard to get treatment at an Institution unless you have what they call a serious mental illness or SMI. If you do not have an existing diagnosis your family/treating physician often time will not give you medications ( because even if you can recognize your own symptoms and know about medications they consider asking for anything specific drug-seeking Behavior) and you cannot get treatment at places like altapointe unless you have what they consider an SMI. Some people without an SMI who go for treatment will find themselves labeled with an SMI just so that they continue can continue to receive treatment. Some people are aware of this and do not want the stigma of a severe diagnosis, so a lot of times people are more willing to deal with more minor cases of depression and anxiety or attention and concentration problems themselves rather than get sucked into a label. For example, ADHD is not considered an SMI but people will be misdiagnosed with anxiety or depression just so that they can receive treatment for their mental impairment. Not only are you mistreating people, but the people issuing these diagnoses aren't exactly forthcoming with the patients as to how this whole system works and the patient start to believe the diagnosis too. People receive diagnosis that are not appropriate simply so that they can continue using insurance benefits to receive treatment within a system that only cares about severe mental illness.

    The whole system from top to bottom is rotten and people who act out on things the way this guy did obviously fell through the cracks in a system with tons of gaping wide holes.
     
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    Problem is the issue is so insanely complicated as Bewildered outlines that even “the discussion” never really starts or rises to the level of legislative actions. I am disappointed as a gun rights supporter that in general it’s just a topic thrown out to divert attention than anything close to actually caring about the subject by gun owners/rights activists.
     
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    It's not just the complication, it's the stigma. Nobody wants to talk about it or recognize it.
     
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    Mental illness is a slippery slope, and simply because you have what's considered a mental illness, or are on medication, doesn't mean you're going to be violent or would likely reach a certain threshold. Like you said, it's complicated.

    As a fellow gun rights supporter and owner, I'm in favor of the idea of having a licensed psychologist basically "sign off" on every potential gun owner. It isn't a perfect solutions, but solutions rarely are perfect. Basically the idea is if you want a gun, you have to go see a psychologist and get their clearance. And if you wanna buy another one, you have to schedule another appointment with them to get them to sign off on that one too.

    Yada yada yada people will slip through the cracks, duh. But it'll also stop some people too. It's one more hurdle, and a good one at that. If you want a gun, you'll do it. Hell, I'd do it, and I've had/still have some residual mental health issues. One more hoop? Sure! So long as I'm legal.
     
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    Stigma on the individual level maybe. Politicians on every level it’s just a wholesale failure at act. Too focused on keeping the criminal justice status quo instead of neeed structural changes to our prison/Jailing system. I give Obama credit for making it an issue in the ACA. I’m not sure of the exact nexus it falls on the government vs individuals or families to deal with but he at least got the conversation moving on the national level.