In all seriousness, I personally would like to see it where officers were reprimanded or removed when there are people arrested and the only charge brought is resisting arrest. Especially where the arrested person is injured. If you are in law enforcement you have no right to initiate violence against innocent people under any circumstances and the fact that they do it and generally get away with it is one of the biggest areas on contention and nullifies a lot with law enforcement. In terms of this video though, that is some fucked up logic. THIS police activity is the root of all of the problems in your neighborhood? Because they are doing this and not solving the violent crimes in your neighborhood? How about the fact that people are shooting the place up like it's the wild west and when the police show up, they are begging people to help them solve it with witness statements........but nobody saw anything. Separately, did you guys see this? https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/us/new-mexico-compund-suspects/index.html Adults related to 9/11 attackers with 14 starving kids being taught to be school shooters off the grid in houses made of trash. Released because they aren't a threat to society. I just thank goodness they weren't white people, otherwise we would never hear the end of it.
Agreed. I also think that police who use their high authority to blow up citizens lives strictly for fun don’t just deserve to lose their job, they deserve to be in jail. You took an oath, and were given a lot of power and trust:
Pretty tough to watch that video. The driver confessed she was speeding and if the weather conditions warranted she was reckless driving. I thought the coin flip was to decide if it was worth their time to arrest her. I do think the officers should have been punished, but to let the woman off in court was to prevent that video from being shown in court. I personally think she should have been ticketed.
Speeding deserves a ticket, it’s plain law. But when cops fuck up like this they toss the charge. Won’t be surprised if she’s sues. I’m glad at least the two idiots were fired. Lord knows how many times they pulled that stunt on people before that video went public. Guess they’ll have to become cops in the next town over now.
I do feel sorry for them. I certainly wouldn't say they're angels, but to be actively targeted like this is really shitty. This is the kind of counter-productive garbage that further divides law enforcement and citizens. Instead of working with the people. you just throw your arms in the air and say fuck it? I know you're not gonna be able to help or save them all, but it's worth a shot. Besides all that, wouldn't this be a slam-dunk to defend against? It's entrapment, unless I'm missing something.
That's not entrapment. They did not force you into a position where you had to do it, they merely offered the opportunity. Now, if a cop came and offered some kid $50 to get them a pair of shoes off of that truck, THAT is entrapment, because they were enticing or pushing them to go do something wrong that they wouldn't normally do. It's no different than a bait car that someone steals... just because it's being controlled by the police, they didn't need to steel it.
Unattended merchandise in the highest crime area in Chicago is subject to crime......... Get outta town!
It makes sense. Black guys like sneakers, instead of a bunch of expensive bait cars they can just mass-incarcerate anybody who touched a single shoe. Lots of arrests, lots of numbers. It will “show a difference” on paper. And maybe one of them will be a wanted felon. You steal, you steal. But this was basically a legal well poisoning.
Feel sorry for what? So law enforcement is wrong because the victim of the theft wasn't legitimate? No one is forcing anyone to steal anything. Personal responsibility is dying quicker each day.
Somehow I don’t think that if the police did this with a beer truck on a college campus there would be lectures about personal responsibility. Actually, the police should throw a party and pay for booze and then detain and breathalyze everyone who starts a car when leaving. Sure would clean out a bad element of society that way.
I think it's more the fact that I've never seen the police leave a bunch of easily embezzled accounts lying around some white executives in order to spring this kind of trap. They went looking for a bunch of poor people who would commit a crime of opportunity, which to my mind isn't the best use of their time.
I get this. I do. And I would never exonerate or explain away the behavior. But honestly, what did they expect? Are people surprised to see books in libraries? Water in the ocean? Anybody with half a brain cell know where the highest crime areas in Chicago are. And the area in the video? Probably the highest. Honestly, people should be more upset about the outright waste of government resources than anything. This served no purpose or created any value beyond giving the Chicago Police an easy win.
Maybe this is a legit attempt to get them to change that high-crime behaviour? Maybe next time they go looking to do something like this they'll stop and wonder if it's a sting operation? Just because it's a high-crime area doesn't mean that people should accept that high crime. What other options do they have of stopping it? Or do they just give up and let it carry on?
Does that mean we get to feel sorry for Pedos that get caught online by cops? Do we just let them go as well? Really curious where the line is here...
Wasn't there a story about that for the Bait Car TV show, where it reduced car theft in the area? Not only do they do that, there are attorneys who specialize in defending that. https://www.jeffweiner.com/money-laundering-charges-involving-an-undercover-sting-operation/
Yep... and the show came out of fairly normal police tactics to target crime in a high crime area. It's been a tactic in Vancouver for almost 20 years, and was so successful that it lowered our car insurance due to the drop in thefts that resulted. https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...celebrates-seventh-anniversary-538627591.html
Depends. Are there entire neighborhoods filled with pedos that the entire police force/local government know about? And, instead of doing anything constructive (like trying to clear out all of the pedos and making it a pedo safe neighborhood), use a child to lure out one or two pedos and then assume the problem is fixed forever? And something like a bait car program would assume that there is one molecule of competence in Illinois government. And there really isn't. We're more likely to spend tens of millions of dollars on upgrades to train stations that we don't really need.
My last post comes across as bitchy and dismissive (and it is). But this isn't a problem that can be fixed by pulling an "A-HA!" on some poor black people stealing shoes. The government/police know where the major crime is. It's just easier to do crap like this than effect any meaningful change. And why not? What's easier and better? Spending millions of dollars building up the infrastructure, luring businesses into that area to offer job opportunities, and developing public transit in that area to enable people to find work elsewhere.......or just throwing a bit more money into downtown/Wrigleyville to make tourists happy. In a city like Chicago, it's gonna be option 2. Honestly, I think they are just waiting for the remaining people who can afford to leave to do just that and have the remainder kill each other or get imprisoned. That way they can let the real estate developers roll in and make some fancy high rises and shopping centers. That's pretty much what happened with the old Cabrini Green housing projects.