Yea, the more I think about this scenario, I can’t help but feel that turning Argento into the anti metoo is dumb. This is a situation where the most damage done was to this guy’s hand from the endless high fives. And maybe he broke the law when his dad took him out for a beer.
Wait didn't they say it started when he was like 14 with her forcing him? If it was just when he was 17 and consensual then I completely change my stance.
Maybe I misread it as well... or totally missed something. I only heard about them working together earlier, and him only recounting his sexual experiences at 17.
"Therapy", sure. By his own admission, she'd been his fantasy since he was 12. This was nothing less than a dream come true, any talk of trauma is him spinning it for personal gain. You're goddamn right there's a double standard. Boys wanna get laid.
This. If that happened to me at seventeen, my only trauma would have been knowing it may never be repeated.
So you think that if a 12 year old wants to have sex with an older adult that means it’s impossible for trauma to be involved? That’s the logic you’re essentially using. This thread is just full of rah rah rah macho man bullshit. Could this kid just be doing this for personal gain? Yes. Is it possible that 17 year old males can experience sexual trauma from attractive adult females? Absolutely. Y’all don’t really seem to know too much about the case at hand and don’t have any expertise in this field, so shouldn’t you maybe hold your fucking horses a bit? This is the “serious thread” and y’all are just posting tired ass cliches. I’m using the “you” to mean everyone in this thread, this isn’t a personal attack.
Literally every guy that has posted has expertise in having been a 17-year old male. And unless she forced him into it some how or was using it as leverage over his career or something, which there doesnt seem to be evidence of, theres no magical switch that flips in a guys head at 17 and change and 18 years old.
What do you mean by "sexual trauma"? Never mind something that is caused by an age difference? If she tied him down and fucked him up the ass with the severed leg of his dog, sure... that would be traumatic as hell. Being 17 and getting fucked by a crazy, hot, older chick? Exactly what trauma could we expect him to suffer from that? And I'm not talking about the day after "oh shit she's in love with me now and obsessed and all I wanted to do was get my dick wet" normal emotional baggage... that's not "trauma".
Or on video for proof. Seventeen is such a vicious age to be a male. You just want to fuck EVERYTHING. What do you say as a parent to this kid? You want to high-five your son, and at the same time choke the bitch who fucked with his head.
The thing I don't agree with is the age. Just because he's 17 doesn't mean he was magically assaulted or traumatized... it's the act itself that has to have those elements, and nothing I've heard comes close to that. To put it into perspective, at the age of 17 you are legally allowed to be a commercial helicopter pilot. Think about that for a minute... So explain to me how you can be expected to be responsible enough to fly a helicopter/aircraft in a commercial setting, but not responsible enough to figure out where to put your dick?
I'm trying to look at that picture without any context. And when I do, I see a lady who looks pretty out of it (Drunk? High?) and the Patron Saint of Shit Eating Grins. Not a strong case for nonconsensual behavior. At least, not on her part. She fooled around with an underage kid. Sure, punish for that (I guess). But I'd have a hard time believing anything happened to him that he didn't want.
When I was 14 I was dumb, extremely impressionable and insecure. An adult could've easily taken advantage of me at that age and no doubt it would've caused some damage whether I thought I wanted it or not. But on the other hand, when I was 17, a large amount my energy was put towards trying to find the best way to put my dick in girls without going through all the work of having to date them. If an experienced, older woman would've fucked me at that age I would've been overwhelmed by the experience, I'm sure, but there would've been zero damage done, other than boosting my already over-inflated ego. The only similarities that 17 year olds have to children are their lack of life experience and their financial dependence on their parents. Other than that, they're pretty much just sociopathic fuck machines. People easily forget that.
Every guy here has experience being a 17 year old male, but no one to my knowledge had a sexual relationship with an adult they knew since they were a child. I’m not saying a flip switches either. You realize this is a pretty easy argument to defeat right? 17 year olds shouldn’t be able to be commercial helicopter pilots. That’s insane and dumb. I never said that the age was a magic thing. What I’m saying is that there is no magical world where teenage boys are immune from negative sexual experiences that can fuck them up. The law needs there to be a switch. As rational human beings capable of nuance we can understand that there is no such switch cognitively or emotionally for children. And to be clear, what is happening in this thread isn’t commentary limited to this case. It is a general “lol wut teenage boys love to fuck! I woulda fucked her and loved it!!!!!” Why is it that most states have a law against teachers having sex with their students even if they are of the age of consent or over the age of 18? The same sort of principles apply in this case. The power dynamics are fucked up and it can mess with a person’s head. This guy may just be a scammer. But again, dismissing the idea that a 17 year old male can be taken advantage of is dumb. If expertise is important why is this thread relying on standard tropes to discuss this? Go read experts about this topic. Dollars to donuts an expert in adolescent psychology, sexual trauma, etc. isn’t going to say, “oh all 17 year old boys are just fuck machines and are totally capable of navigating the sexual world in an emotionally healthy way.”
You *could* make the case that she knew him since he was 7, and groomed him for 10 years. In which case, what? He was seduced by the older woman he was already attracted to and had fantasized about. I just don't see the trauma in that.
Meh, I was a commercial pilot at 17, as were a number of my friends. Nothing dumb or insane about it. Kids can drive at 16, with much, much less training, evaluation, testing, and oversight. With that simple statement you've now shown that I don't need to worry about your judgment in things like this because you're reacting emotionally, not factually. You're generalizing things that are outside of your experience or understanding rather than taking a look at the merits of specific situations. Nobody, anywhere, ever said that trauma can't exist with a 17 year old and an older woman. What we're (mostly) saying is that this situation does not appear to have such trauma. I've looked into a bunch of definitions of sexual trauma and abuse, and looked at the public details around this case, and the two don't match up to me. That's why I asked you to define "sexual trauma", so that I could see if I was somehow missing something based on my layman's understanding of it. By all means, if you have something other than "he was 17 and she's old" to go on, I'd love to see it so I can re-evaluate my opinion.
Lol. The intense regulation and self selection of a pilots program could very well prevent problems. If I’m wrong about that fine. But we’re just talking past each other. I’m not really commenting on this case specifically (like I’ve said throughout my posts). I’m commenting on the dumbass toxic notion that 17 year old males just want to fuck and everytime they fuck a hot girl that’s a good thing that doesn’t carry mental consequences. And just for the record, I deal with 17 year old males every day and have taken a shitload of graduate education credits. So I’m more knowledgeable than most about adolescents. I highly recommend y’all go interact with some teenagers sometime. I’d wager your thoughts about their maturities and abilities would change drastically. Some can handle just about anything, the vast majority don't know their asses from their elbows.
Also, the issue isn't just that she is an adult. Unless I'm wrong, she knew him since he was a child and she worked with him in a professional setting where she was in a position of trust and authority. This isn't a random one night stand where they didn't know anything about each other (If it actually occurred and blah blah blah).
So... a teacher has a student, student comes of age and graduates... can the teacher fuck the ex-student? Get married?
It’s been done. Actually, it happened at my own high school. Funny how when you have a son, he can be a “gifted student” meanwhile the only thing he’s ever read is a home pregnancy test: