It's amazing how much the public has turned against the police in just a few years. If there had been any genuine acknowledgement, or constructive effort towards rebuilding their relationship with the community we would have never gotten to this point. I have my disagreements with certain BLM narratives, but the attempt by the police to brand the movement as a mix of thugs, and confused political activists while the police have always just been doing their best on the front lines to protect everyone was such disingenuous horseshit it's not really surprising the powder keg has finally burst. I flipped on my PS4 yesterday, and was immediately hit with a message from Activision about the protests (supporting the protesters). On the one hand it's such a nothing thing, but it really hit home how much police support has evaporated. Companies normally shy away from hot button issues like this, but nobody gives a fuck anymore because hardly anyone supports the police anyway.
Well the new thing in the last 48 hours is defunding or abolishing departments outright. Part of me wants to see if the idea of diverting funds to social programs instead of policing actually makes any appreciable difference. Abolishing departments outright, which the Minneapolis mayor got cuck walked out of a protest for not supporting*, sounds like an all encompassing bad idea. My brother brought up a good point as far as both ideas. Take sexual assault and rape which has historically been put on the back burner of DA and police department case clearing. What do you think is going to happen to those type of investigations if the departments are knee capped or don't exist? Deputize case workers or vaguely defined victim advocates to arrest? Who in the end suffers the most when these services don't exist? These protesters shouting for abolishment are caught up in the moment it seems. This is not thought out in the slightest. *btw dude looks like he's 22 years old.
Hope those communities start getting real friendly with the 2A and Stand Your Ground, Castle Doctrine, etc. for their own safety.
I get your point but I think this is about the worst crime to use as a supporting example. The current system is notoriously bad at investigating and prosecuting sexual assault, and actually commits this crime in no small amount, especially against prostitutes.
Abolishing police departments would be a disastrous social experiment. As usual people swing to extremes , seeing only black or white when grays are the better answer. We don’t have to do away with police, and we don’t have to let them go unchecked. There actually is a middle ground that is better. As for Antifa, labeling them a terrorIst group is assinine, as they are indeed more of a philosophy, with no actual structure or leadership, and no bank accounts to seize. And as they are American citizens it would be difficult to legally do in the first place. That said, I think the left doesn’t really understand what form antifascists usually take. The average person thinks anti fascism means you’re simply against the hard right, but that’s incorrect. American soldiers weren’t anti fascist, they were anti Axis powers. A better example is the Spanish Civil War, which actually was a fight between fascists and antifascists. And those antifascists were communists. I think it’s accurate to say that many people in the Antifa movement are pro-communism but don’t advertise it.
This is my point. Take that fact and remove more man power and resources from the equation. Also, I am not following, police departments are committing substantial amounts of sexual assaults against prostitutes? Source?
I think it’s safe to say that there are no reasonable people that want the full dismantling of police departments.
Data collection isn't great because, well, cops don't generally keep great statistics on the crimes they commit, but it's a known thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abuse_of_sex_workers_in_the_United_States Beyond just prostitutes there's also the wild notion that women in custody can consent to sex with officers, which is also something that is ripe for abuse.
Daniel Holtzclaw is the name that immediately popped up when this was mentioned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Holtzclaw I get the sense he isn't the only one. And I doubt he got the idea all on his own.
So apparently Minneapolis city council just voted to disband the police dept https://www.kare11.com/mobile/artic...tment/89-a2260d74-4e21-4069-9b06-735aafba95cd
Yeah, and shortly thereafter, all investment drying up in the city. This seems like an absurd overreaction on the part of the City Council. Saying that there needs be a different public safety system with better social support sounds nice, except when that idea isn’t tangible and someone needs to call 911 because their house is being broken into.
Are they talking about a Camden style "axe the police department and rebuild it from scratch with less abusing-minorities-for-fun" or are they talking about just... not having a police department?
It was a fairly recent change (2013) so I don't think you can attribute Camden's shitholiness to it. Data so far seems positive on the change.