When did MN go full retard? Between this and electing people like Ilhan Omar I'm kind of glad I don't live there anymore. I want to believe this isn't as stupid as it looks, but their statements are not encouraging. All of that is pretty suspect, but the bolded statement is the one that concerns me the most. It's as if they're saying they have no plan, and expect the massive vacuum they're creating to just fill itself in.
anyone of means is gonna have to hire private security to protect their house and travel with them when they go out in public. Just like they do in 3rd world countries.
Roof Top Koreans are destined to be the number 1 temp agency. They seem to have lost sight of the fact that cops are there to solve a real-world community problem... they've just kind of gone a bit passed that it seems. This sounds very much like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
the r/Minneapolis thread on this is a bit interesting they seem to think that by diverting funds from the police, and thus spending those funds elsewhere in the community, there will be less reason for people to commit crimes. Makes sense, if you discount the fact that people are assholes and will do criminal shit regardless of how their "social welfare" has improved. If I lived there, or anywhere in the region, I would immediately be attempting to move. We know some people in Florida who split time between there and Minneapolis, and they got stuck in Florida during lockdown and are now too afraid to go back. I can only imagine things will get much worse. I'm checking in with them now to get some local perspective.
Chaos won’t happen immediately. This is the first step in a process that will take some time. I’m certain, however, that there will be an uptick in crime, and at the same time resignations from a significant portion of the police force. I think lack of options, stagnation, denial, and the almighty golden pension these guys get will keep most of them there until this plays out, but they will by understaffed until they are dissolved. Followed shortly by investor flight, and then residents leaving in droves. And those residents will be the ones who can afford to leave- the wealthy and middle class. Leaving mostly the poor, in a city that won’t be rebuilt, with a dwindling tax base and no check on crime. It may eventually make Camden look like a wonderland.
I mean they'll be shamed in the coming days into actually articulating what the fuck they mean. Expect snide virtue signaling as they come up with stuff on the fly. It's like a kid who's found their dad's gun and is waving it around wildly.
I don't know about that. There was another case of this that I remember reading about, where they just stopped police service... might have been a police strike or something... but within hours crime had gone through the roof... everything from bank robberies to assaults. We'll see how it goes.
Isn’t this essentially like the purge but forever? Seriously though, there are a lot of headlines stating that they will disband but is there any actually policy description? Who will handle emergency calls and whatnot? Will the police force be restarted from the ground up where people will have to reapply for their jobs?
nothing in policy. A lot of talk and promises. The idea is that a lot of the calls will go to other services, like wellness checks, ODs, those kinda things. I could see them using traffic cameras for some things. But it’s all just talk. I could also see them realizing how horrible of an idea this is and backtracking in it.
I saw some stuff online that the top chiefs? or whatever they are have either been fired or resigned from NYPD. Seeing the overwhelming amount of videos coming out of NYC with the cops there being such absolute bastards, this would be a good start. I think there is a lot of potential damage with a “defund the police” message. Luckily, I don’t see a lot of the actual politicians spreading that message. It’s snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Most people probably see the videos and become upset but also don’t think disbanding law enforcement is the right move. Even if “disband” doesn’t mean what it’s currently being interpreted as, it’s a total layup for the GOP to roast the Dems with. Sorry if this kind of went into the politics subject.
The NYPD Chief of Transportation just died of coronavirus, which is uh... one way to be removed I guess. That aside, I've heard, even from cops, that the NYPD is a shit department even by American policing standards.
Just because the City Council voted to defund the City Police department does not mean there will be no police protection. The council could vote to hire the county Sheriffs department to provide police protection. This is being looked at as an alternative in my city at the moment as the City Police union does not think their members should pay for any of their health care. and negotiations on a new contract are going to arbitration. I think Los Angeles is talking about diverting $100 million away from their police to different avenues such as neighborhood renovation. New York city is talking about police reform. In my opinion all of this is decades late but a good first step.
The fact that they don’t have an iron-clad alternative ready to take its place is a huge problem. Sure, they could vote to do any number of things, like pass a binding resolution on not making decisions so woke that it destroys the community, but they need that replacement to be activated day 1. “Oh shit this guy has a gun! Quick, call a social worker, they can help advise on his mental health issues and economic disparity.”
Couldn't they just de-centralize the police department down to smaller jurisdictions? I kind of assumed that was the plan all along, like instead of it being a single PD, breaking it up into smaller components, at whatever level makes sense.
That seems difficult. Police department jurisdictions follow municipal boundaries. For Minneapolis or any city, you would have separate police departments with increasingly varying policies/guidelines under one municipality. I would think that would increase the effects of economic disparity/racial lines. I guess in theory it makes sense because that’s how it works on the state level, but it’s also dispersed over a much larger geographic area. It just seems nearly impossible to implement on a city-scale.
It really is amazing how often they can fuck stuff like this up. "Let's see... huge opportunity here where we are on the right side of history with unprecedented public support and Trump is fucking up astronomically... hmmm... I know! Let's implement the stupidest goddamn policy anyone has ever heard that no sane person could ever possibly support!" Sure, the solutions to America's policing problems are complicated and difficult, but scoring a political victory here isn't. Yet somehow they are still finding a way to fuck this up and look like complete idiots no matter what the GOP says or does. Congressional leaders said they won't do this, but the fact that a lot of deep blue cities are considering this, or have already committed to it is going to look unbelievably retarded. Congress dems are releasing their reform package this week. I can only hope it isn't a complete clusterfuck, but who knows?