We’re circling around the same point. It refers to a specific time period. “The antebellum south” is the pre-civil war south. And the context for discussions about that time is that other people were considered property. Everything goes through that filter. If someone wanted an antebellum-style wedding, it would be in bad taste because the implications would be of it being on a plantation-type setting with people serving them and the like. Lady Antebellum is not saying literally “lady slavery.” But it is referencing a time period and style that isn’t that great. It would be like an Australian band calling themselves “Senor Stolen Generation” or a South African band named “Acting Apartheid.”
Same here. This reminds me of stuff like how "urban" is some kind of racist slang. If the only time I ever hear a word used as a racist reference is when some activist is claiming it is then it's probably bullshit.
normally I think the whole cancel culture stuff is a load of shit, but I can get behind this. And can we find something offensive about Rascal Flatts while we're at it? Like, offensive besides their music? Maybe remind everyone that they fired Eric Church and replaced him with fucking Taylor Swift?
No, it isn't. And claiming an entire time period is only about one specific bad thing and absolutely nothing else is ludicrous.
This is a place where monuments should remain untouched. And I think that the people who live there certainly won’t take kind to change, they REALLY take pride in their home and how well they look after it. And they should be proud. Gettysburg is an incredible and fascinating place to visit.
I actually don't think historical places where battles took place, museums, and other more educational attractions should be altered. The statues that were erected in the 1960's as a shot across the bow of black people looking forward to being treated like actual humans should go. Even the reenactments are fine so long as they don't try to change the outcomes.
If we're changing the definition to suite our whims these days and 'men' can menstruate and economic boycotts are considered 'violence' then I am here by declaring antebellum only refers to the everything but slavery and racism of the prewar south. Problem solved.
I think there's a middle ground. Leave the confederate statues up and erect statues of Union generals next to them. In fact, they can start in Georgia and put up a bunch of statues of William Tecumseh Sherman. Since, you know, it's all about celebrating history.
Anything glorifying the confederacy should go. Everything else is just idiots with nothing better to do than to get angry about things that don't at all affect them.
HBO agrees with you. They pulled Gone With the Wind from their streaming service. Fuck it, lets just get rid of every reference to the Confederacy and in a few years we'll have slavery deniers spouting their rhetoric on blogs all across the internet. No sense in learning from the past if it causes someone, somewhere to be offended.
I'm talking about stuff with a clear pro confederacy message. I couldn't give less of a shit about people offended by anything taking place in the era that isn't about evil slave owners being evil.
HBO said it was a temporary measure, and was done because apparently people aren't learning from the past. Apparently their data is showing an uptick of people watching Gone with the Wind and The Help, which is just... peak whiteness right there. I think it's a bit of an overreaction on HBO's part, but the movie will be back on their own platform in short order; meanwhile Song of the South has been in the Disney "vault" for decades for being too racist and no one seems to care.
The Help is a feel good anti-racism movie. Why would anyone be offended by that? Because it means white people aren't flogging themselves enough or something???
But that’s the thing, about half of the specific state monuments were placed there in the 60s and 70s. Plus, a large amount of the souvenirs sold are plastered with the confederate flag. “Heritage, not Hate” on t-shirts and hats. That shit’s gonna have to go, I’m sure.
Congratulations, you picked the one term where this is exactly what it’s about. The entire Pre-Civil War period in the south was about slavery. It was nothing but slavery. Every southern state was founded and developed with the institution of slavery. That cheap labor, coincidentally immune to malaria, is the only reason why the southern states weren’t economically impoverished backwaters. Go ahead- tell me what else it was about.
You're right, there's nothing. Literally nothing else happened in the years from the founding of the United States to the civil war. Thank you for educating me. You've made the world a better and smarter place.
Thanks for admitting you have no response, because there isn’t one. Go ahead, tell me what else the American south was about. It was partially the source of raw materials for England’s industrial revolution, particularly cotton, tobacco and other crops. And later it served the same function for the North. So what did I miss? Oh yes, maybe how Florida was originally colonized by the Spanish. Or maybe the Trail of Tears - engineered to to clear the south for southern farming, largely by slaves. So answer the question- what else happened in the antebellum south? Particle physics? Space flight? The steam engine?