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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Robbie Clark

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    If it is some nefarious Muslim plot, then they are really good and will win.
     
  2. toytoy88

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    I would like to believe the dumb, naive kid narrative and that this whole thing got blown out of proportion.

    But, the one thing that sticks with me is when he was questioned all he would say is "It's a clock." Almost like someone told him to say that when/if he was caught. "Coached", if you will.

    Most kids when confronted with a situation like that would open up and tell the people asking the questions everything about their "Invention" that they're so proud of. Unless, of course, they believe that by being purposefully evasive, they are fighting for something.
     
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    I just can't believe how people lose their shit to such extremes over such a minor incident. Kid had a shitty day and was mistreated. Ok. You'd think how some of these stories are written and how some people reacted that the cops sodomized and beat him to death.
     
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    I don't understand this line of thinking at all. It was a clock. He answered truthfully.
     
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    Can we move on to talking about something less irrelevant and less annoying?
     
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    Meh, I think you're reaching. We have no idea what the exact transcript was of those conversations, and I think it's totally reasonable to think a 14 year old in that situation would freeze up.
     
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    As someone who works with ready to eat foods this makes me a bit nervous. The possibility of getting sent to prison for someone else's fuck up while e-mails and documents are misinterpreted to find someone to blame is a slim, but real one. The article unintentionally shows how god damn useless the USDA is. Maybe one of them should be sent to jail for negligence too considering I've never once seen any of them actually put in a day's work. I could list off so, so many ways I've seen first hand how stupid and oblivious they are, but I probably shouldn't get into it.
     
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    Wouldn't there have to be regular inspections at the plant? If it was that badly in shape, you would think that one inspector would of noted something.
     
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    You would think...

    Seriously I can't exaggerate how little they do. It amounts to absolutely nothing. They're there to sit on their ass and collect a pay check. The companies do their own internal testing, and their quality assurance is really fucking thorough because they, not the government, takes the hit if there is a recall. Which is what surprises me about this story. It's very rare to see plant managers and others high up in the company willing to risk the huge losses that come with an outbreak. Most I've known are more worried about potential recalls than anything else.

    The USDA officials I've spoken with seem to be completely clueless about food science as well. I'm sure some of them are quite knowledgeable, but others don't seem to even have a high school understanding.

    Edit: For the most part they briefly stick their head in a couple times a week and maybe take a look at some paper work. That's about it. I don't think most of them know what an unsafe department is supposed to look like, hence the lack of documenting problems before these outbreaks happen.
     
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    Uhh, you have a different source? This CNN article says nothing about misinterpreted emails and documents, nor anything about the USDA. It actually says the exact opposite, that this guy knowingly sent out contaminated food and knowingly kept an unhygienic plant. Two unhygienic plants. This article is pretty damning and I hope he enjoys his peanut butter sandwiches in prison.
     
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    I didn't mean it to come across that way. Guy sounds pretty guilty. However, it's really easy to sign off on a CCP check or some HACCP document you weren't personally involved with and then get blamed when it wasn't done correctly or done at all. Your signature is on a falsified document, and maybe later on you gave approval to ship it. I just had a really long meeting about this last Thursday. Probably wouldn't get a decade long sentence, but it wouldn't be pretty either.

    I'm not surprised the story hasn't gotten into the USDA. The government was the big hero putting it to the bad guys here.
     
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    I am also terrified of going to prison for someone else's mistakes, but according the timeline of this situation:

    http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/...eption-to-indictment-a-timeline/#.VgBUEN9Viko

    February 15, 2001: A peanut production facility in Blakely, GA operating under the name Casey’s Food Products, Inc. changes its name to Peanut Corporation of America. Stewart Parnell takes over as owner and president of the company. Headquarters are established in Lynchburg, Virginia.

    June 19, 2003: The Manager of Interim Operations at PCA’s Blakely location sends a fax to Daniel Kilgore, the PCA Blakely Operations Manager, instructing him to substitute Chinese Extra Large peanuts for Blanched Jumbo Runners when shipping to a customer who had requested the latter, without notifying the customer. These instructions come “per Stewart.”

    September 2004 – September 2006: During this time period, Stewart Parnell and Daniel Kilgore order product to be shipped to customers before receiving results of microbiological testing that reveal the presence of Salmonella in the product on eight separate occasions. They do not inform customers who received the potentially contaminated product in any of these instances.

    October 5, 2006: Stewart Parnell is notified by a customer that product received from PCA tested positive for Salmonella. That product is one of those that had tested positive for Salmonella during PCA’s internal testing but been shipped to the customer. Stewart Parnell responds to the customer in an email stating, “I am dumbfounded by what you have found. It is the first time in my over 26 years in the business that I have ever seen any instance of this. We run Certificates of Analysis EVERY DAY with tests for Salmonella and have not found any instances of any, even traces, of a Salmonella problem.”

    November 16, 2006: Michael Parnell, brother of Stewart Parnell and Vice President of P.P. Sales, the food broker who negotiates sales for PCA, informs Stewart that the company could create a false certificate of analysis if needed.

    March 8, 2007: Stewart Parnell sends an email to a customer stating that “We have run countless tests and show absolutely no evidence of Salmonella,” referring to a lot of product that he had been informed had tested positive for Salmonella in September 2006.

    March 14, 2007: Stewart Parnell sends an email to a customer stating, “Every peanut that we have shipped has only left our facility upon successful negative testing for Salmonella…We can find absolutely no evidence of instances of Salmonella.”

    March 21, 2007: After being told that Salmonella testing results were not yet available for a lot of product and that shipment would have to be delayed in order to wait for the results, Parnell sends an email that reads: “shit, just ship it. I cannot afford to lose another customer.”

    April 12, 2007: A PCA official sends an email to the National Sales Manager regarding totes of peanut meal, saying, “They need to air hose the top off though because they are covered in dust and rat crap.” The email was forwarded to Stewart Parnell, who replied, “Clean em all up and ship them.”

    In the article, there is a lot more details to this case, but if a President/CEO of a food corporation decided to tell his National Sales Manager to just "Clean em all up and ship them." in an email after being told that the stuff they sell are covered in dust and rat crap - it's really hard to say he is taking the blame for the actions of his employees. I personally do want him held responsible for his action, but to what extent I haven't read enough about this yet to form an opinion.
     
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    OK, again... I never said the guys in this story were innocent. Sorry about the confusion.
     
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    Ok gotcha. Yea, unfortunately this story is just sad because people actually died from something that can be completely prevented and it seems like the president of the company wasn't just a traveling executive too busy to oversee what was going on and just blindly trusting/signing off on paperwork but actively told his employees to take certain actions after he was made aware of what was going on for... profit.
     
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    Did he seriously go on record and say that they give away the drug for $1 for people that can't afford it and say it like it's a good thing? Because that is funded by the 340B Program, a federally funded program. Here, I'll even use their own press release:

    http://www.turingpharma.com/media/press-release?headline=important-news-about-daraprim%c2%ae-(pyrimethamine)

    So yes, now we are all paying for the price hike whether we need treatment or not. Granted you live in the US of A.

    Edit: Ohh no, I was wrong - apparently there is no tax payer money funding the 340B Program.
     
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    Honestly, he looks like your clean shaven brother who was adopted and sent to a douchey prep school instead of growing up in South Texas.
     
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    Can all this just stop? Please?

    Transgender woman slams TSA's full-body scan flagging an 'anomaly' at Orlando airport

    TSA agents flagged Shadi Petosky as she rushed to her flight to Minneapolis Monday night due to an “anomaly” that appeared in her full-body scan calibrated for a woman.

    “That’s my penis,” she bluntly told a male TSA agent, explaining that she was transgender.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nners-flagging-body-anomaly-article-1.2369457

    Where's his tweet from the President?

    ob.jpg Hey cool dick Shadi, you should bring it to the white house.

    I shudder to think where are this bullshit is going to end.
     
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    This week's law enforcement negligence goes out to Cleveland, where an inmate wasn't treated for a sinus infection and ended up losing half his skull. Obviously, you're not going to hear squat out of the county with a lawsuit pending, but:

    http://kfor.com/2015/06/05/update-m...ve-antibiotic-family-to-file-federal-lawsuit/

    The original story: http://kfor.com/2015/02/04/graphic-...er-jail-allegedly-refuses-to-give-antibiotic/

    Best part? "Autry was being held in jail for charges of drug possession." He better have crop dusted a playground with cocaine to justify all that.

    Shit like this is irritating. Your tax dollars go to keep a prolific fuck-up incarcerated for drugs, then your tax dollars go to pay off his family when some undertrained overworked staff member ignores him.
     
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    I have a very sneaking suspicion the pharma-douche was short-selling the inevitable market tumble caused by his little announcement. The fact that he's rescinding the price change 48 hours later supports this idea. He takes full advantage of the outrage machine, short sells his competitors and makes a few million in the aftermath, laughing at all the internet rage helpless to prevent him from doing it again and again.

    Also, in case you were wondering, Freddie Gray's family bought a Lambo for all their pain and suffering.