I finally allowed myself to see video of the Jacob Blake shooting, after putting it off for a few days. goddamnit. Dude should have just talked to the cops, explained what happened and everything would have been fine. Except he’s likely been taught that nothing good comes from the cops — with good reason — so he walked away. Then the piece of shit officer who grabbed him by the shirt and fired at basically point blank, dude should be face life in the worst prison the US has to offer. no one is right here, but the officers are clearly pieces of shit. And the protesters burning down their own community, and now this morning I read there was a shooting too, they aren’t making this any better. I think officers should have to go through some SERIOUS training in order to have a firearm, it shouldn’t be the default anymore. Less than lethal should mean using their words and pepper spray if it comes to that. That shit works both ways, and they should have to think about that before using it.
An armed society is a polite society in which a 17 year old crosses state lines with a rifle in the hopes of getting to shoot someone.
Does it? Really? Just look at the dumpster fire of twitter comments to that video... Why is he armed? Was his life in danger when he shot those people? To me, this raises more questions than it answers. Never mind the multiple cop vehicles that drive past him...
Let stupid children run around with guns (literally, that kid is 17 and his online profile is nothing but #BlueLivesMatter horseshit) and stupid shit happens. The police are to blame for that too. They deputized these morons and let them do this. They thanked him and gave him water for killing two people.
I said some context. At first I was thinking it was just a dude going off shooting people at random. Various reports indicate he was part of a group protecting businesses. I’m not taking a side on this, because I think the whole thing sucks. He shouldn’t have been at a protest with a gun. They shouldn’t have attacked him. The police shouldn’t have just passed him up like that (would the have reacted the same if he was a black guy with a gun?) Never mind that the police didn’t need to murder the guy and spark those protests. Or that the people didn’t need to respond to the police shooting by burning down their community.
Imagine being that kid's parents. "Kyle snuck out last night and is in trouble with the cops." "Did he go to a party that had alcohol?" "Well according to the news he traveled to a riot and killed two people."
Is that gun in his hand? I have no idea about what's going on, and just question anyone who seems to think they get ANY kind of context to the situation from a few pics or frames of video... Regardless, bring a gun to a protest and I'm immediately going to tend to say you're not exactly innocent, and have shit to prove to me before I consider you a victim.
He drove from twenty miles away to kill people. Cop worshipper with rifle had no intent to “protect businesses”. He wasn’t some Roof Korean who had no choice but to protect his property, he was just an idiot with a gun and shitty parents.
I was just expressing my surprise that it happened that fast. I was expecting them to drag their feet and say "we're investigating all leads" and just wait for it to die out. Sounds like a DA somewhere was sick of the bullshit.
Well, to be fair he admitted on camera to killing somebody to the cops, they let him go, let him drive out of state, spend the night at home. So to the Kenosha police, good fucking luck trying to get anybody but militant nutbags to respect you again. What fucking tools.
and what's really messed up is that if the video is all they go off, he'll likely get off on justified self-defense. The video itself, without other context, is cut and dry self defense. But you throw in the other factors like he went there with a gun, was allegedly part of a militia. Was allegedly given water by cops prior to the shooting and part of a group that was allegedly told by said cops that they were funneling the protesters toward, and it looks like he was a dude looking to LARP shit he has no business doing. This is the part of our culture and justice system that needs to change. It should not be a defense if you intentionally place yourself in an area where you might have to use lethal force as self defense, and then claim justified self defense. That's not okay morally, and it should not be okay legally. But right now it is. And that needs to change.
I say no, it's not. Nothing cut and dry about that at all. Apparently, the dude is a minor, with an illegal gun, who crossed state lines, and was carrying it illegally, shot multiple people, then fled the scene back to his state. It sounds like the cops were thanking the local white militia for being there (handing out water, etc), which is speculated as being the reason they just let him walk around after shooting people in the first place. WTF is going on down there, America?
Self-defense is an affirmative defense, which means that you forfeit the presumption of innocence. You are admitting to the facts of the crime, and then you have to prove that self-defense applies. He's going to be sledding uphill trying to prove self defense in a case where he clearly inserted himself into a violent situation he was in no way required to be in.
He killed somebody before the video. Shot them in the head from a distance. He was a police cadet. There are photos of him holding machine guns as a small child. Plus, there’s the whole gloves thing: ...that’s how he was walking around in front of cops after killing people. No suspicious activity to report, we are 10-7. Evidently police culture in western society creates and grooms a lot of dangerous and violent morons at a young age. What a shock.
So at least one NBA playoff game has been cancelled in protest of the shooting with talk of more games to be cancelled https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29747523/bucks-not-taking-court-game-5-vs-magic
And just so we are crystal clear that the Kenosha police were working hand-in-hand with these clowns, here they are being buddies with the killer and his militant LARP friends. They deputized these stupid fucks, they should be complacent in those deaths for allowing it, even encouraging it to happen.