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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Currer Bell

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    Toytoy, I had a similar reaction when I saw that quote by the father (I saw it when I was searching for the awards reference for you). Unfortunately it is one of those things that you could make arguments for either way, and when you think about it - examining what someone has said off the cuff to the media is a poor way of getting to the truth. People use wrong words or express themselves badly all the time. If Ahmed's father is a public figure, he is presumably experienced in articulating himself well before the media, but f we assume he is telling the truth then I imagine he was pretty pissed off when he spoke to the press.

    It is entirely possible when the father said "He wakes up with it most mornings" he meant the original alarm clock that his son, the night before, took apart in order to reassemble it into a different container in working order (and called an invention, which is a debatable word use). It is entirely possible that on the way to school it looked and worked fine and the dad would have no cause for alarm - especially since it is entirely possible his son probably brought stuff like that all the time in middle school in his robotics club. It is entirely possible the cops went over the thing with a fine tooth comb, pulling shit out, so that by the time they took the picture and sent it to the press it was a hot mess. Lots of "entirely possible" scenarios that may be complete bullshit and this really is a conspiracy. I don't know if we'll ever know. I don't even know what is my opinion at this point, though I am leaning towards occam's razor.

    Question, since I don't want to go to a breitbart link, but what sort of bomb threat was it? Someone called one in because they didn't want to take a test? Or an actual fake bomb was brought in?
     
  2. Rush-O-Matic

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    ftfy

    I find it funny that
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoer...ady-for-pick-u?utm_term=.qlmyr99EW#.fnbPrbb4J

    Because, there's clearly a lack of factual communication out there since yesterday (Sept. 23) it was announced that
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oy-arrested-clock-hires-legal-counsel-n432366

    Breitbart was just quoting from the Daily Beast article from a week ago; then, he threw in his intentionally inflammatory opinions. Who reads Breitbart for reporting? I thought it was supposed to be just one-sided opinions?
     
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    Recommended articles at the bottom of this news source: "17 Celebrity Lesbians You Will Definitely Fancy" "25 Celebs Who Went From Not to Hot" "The Silent Killer: Can Acid Reflux Become a Life Threatening Condition?"

    Who knows? The article says nothing about the incident. We have no idea. It could have been over a legitimate issue, or it could have been complete bullshit like the girl says. They were new to America at the time, maybe they thought it would be easier to just take the suspension and move on. Again, who knows?

    Yeah, maybe... who knows? We have such little information about how any of this went down, it makes no sense to make assumptions one way or the other.

    I don't think it's crazy at all. The anti-Islamophobia PR machine is always set to make a national story within a few hours.

    I'm completely with you that it was an over-reaction for him to be praised as pretty much the most amazing genius wonderful kid ever, but you are reaching here. There is absolutely not enough evidence to think he somehow orchestrated this thing. Occam's razor: This sounds like a 14 year old kid who sort of fucked up, then the media went crazy because that's what they are. Making up conspiracy theories based on D-list news sites, and how we think things might have or should have gone down in situations we know very little about, is not logical.
     
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    Again, Breitbart was only quoting from the longer, legitimate article that The Daily Beast had from the week before. I doubt that Ahmed "orchestrated this thing." But, I stand by my opinion, and that's all it is, that he is not as innocent - "it's just a clock" - as he's playing up. His own interview with a Dallas news outlet, the day after the event, in his own words, he says of the pencil box he used:
    I am curious why was he worried about a closed, or closed and locked, pencil case seeming like a threat or looking suspicious if his sole intention was "inventing a clock?" I think CB is right,
    The clock he took apart was this one:
    Clock.jpg

    No joke: I also still have a Radio Shack alarm clock from the 80's by the bed in my guest room. So, I can see how he could have used it every morning until the night before when he took it apart.
     
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    Look who's back!

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ke...governor-for-legal-woes/ar-AAeKL5b?li=AAa0dzB

    "Kentucky clerk Kim Davis, hauled to jail for defying a series of federal court orders and refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, filed a 40-page court document Thursday, blaming Kentucky governor Steve Beshear for all her legal woes.

    "Davis' lawyers with the Liberty Counsel, a firm that opposes gay rights, wrote Thursday that warning was "ominous" and suggested that Beshear's directive for clerks to abide by the Supreme Court's decision forced Davis to defy the court and wind up in jail.

    Beshear has asked a judge to dismiss the suit against him."
     
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  6. The Village Idiot

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    There's quite a bit going on right now.

    Boehner is retiring - which could lead to some issues with the debt ceiling.

    The Pope is in America. I'm not big on religion (I'd say I'm neutral) - but reading his speeches, I really like what he has to say.

    The U.S. and China may well be making some much needed headway in relations, which would be a good thing in my opinion.
     
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    I'll go one step farther. I'm athiest, as a direct result of a religious upbringing. Kept hearing all this stuff that didn't make sense when juxtaposed to, you know, logic, and really started questioning. Went down the rabbit hole from there.

    Regardless, Pope Francis is awesome in what he is doing not only for the Catholic religion, but for the world. I can disagree with someone's views and still love their morals and their actions. His whole "who am I to judge," while I know goes against a large portion of the religious world (I'm looking at you Huckabee), is perfectly in line with my beliefs as a person and the overwhelming views of my generation as a whole.

    It will be interesting to see how history treats him, and what happens after him.
     
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    People don't like Francis because he actually preaches the tenets of faith. There was a big Catholic discrimination in this country, going way back, and sometimes it seems like that is still an issue. With the evangelicals, they don't care what the pope says, he isn't radical enough for them. More importantly, he isn't *their* pope. Protestants don't have a pope, that's the whole point. To them it's just some guy in pajamas being a theocrat (irony is lost on them). This whole prosperity gospel idea (God helps those who help themselves) doesn't exactly jive with the rest of the message which is basically do no harm and don't be a dick, especially for profit.

    There's a meme floating around. Now that The Catholic Church has adopted parts of evolution and climate change, they adhere to science more than the republican party. Think about who holds the science, education, and environment chairs. I just really, really wish we'd stop politicizing both religion and science. It taints everything from international standing to our education system.
     
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    This isn't a new development. The Catholic Church has been a proponent of evolution for a long time, and evolution is taught in Catholic schools and catechism. An early evolutionary theorist was a Jesuit priest. This the one of the main reasons evangelicals take issues with them. The problem with evangelicals is that they live in a bubble in middle America. The fact that they issue relgious-based science books and whitewash history in the classrooms is insane. However acting like republicans have a sole lease on being anti science is nonsense, it's the evangelical republicans, not all of them. And democrats also have plenty of issues on which they ignore hard science (nuclear energy, abortion, GMO nonsense, etc).
     
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    At the risk of derailing this whole thing, I'm curious what you mean in regard to abortion. I'm familiar with the arguments where democrats may be incorrect about the science of nuclear energy and GMOs, but I've never heard anything about ignoring science in regard to abortion.
     
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    I second this
     
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    Thirded....

    And just to be realistic for a moment; republicans have democrats beaten by a million fucking miles when it comes to pretending science doesn't exist. That's not to say they aren't right on many other things, but seeing is believing isn't really a republican strong point.
     
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    The whole concept of late term abortions. First and second trimester abortions are an understandable debate, but the idea that a gestating infant isnt a person until the moment of birth is absurd, especially when a fetus could potentially survive during a good part of the third trimester. This is not going to be an abortion debate, Im only responding because you asked about it. Again, we are not going to debate abortion.
     
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    I don't want to hear any crap how these people can't hire or MUST begin layoffs after a rough year. Middle finger, right here, guys.

    S&P 500 companies, excluding financial companies, collectively had $1.43 trillion in cash reserves sitting on the sidelines in the second quarter (April to June) of this year, according to FactSet.

    "Exxon Mobil (XOM) cut its spending by $1.4 billion in the second quarter while Chevron (CVX) ( -$1.3 billion) and ConocoPhillips (COP) ( -$1.8 billion) also spent far less compared to a year ago. Exxon has $4.3 billion cash, Chevron has $12 billion and ConocoPhillips has $3.8 billion.

    Overall, spending by S&P 500 companies -- measured by capital expenditures -- fell 5.6% compared to same quarter a year ago. Energy spending was down 24% over the year too."
     
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    Thanks for answering, Juice. I won't try to debate abortion with you, but I will say that I feel comfortable making the statement that what you perceive to be the democrat's perspective on late-term abortions is, generally speaking, incorrect.
     
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