Once you see them holding a gun, or they are attempting to go for your gun, fire away. At that point, it's you or them. This assumes that the officer doesn't have a gun pointed at a suspect from the get go. The problem is that cops escalate otherwise peaceful situations by immediately either pulling their gun out, or putting their hand on it. Being a suspect doesn't automatically mean you are guilty. Cops assume you are (especially if you're black), which makes it much easier for them to murder you. I mean, people have been shot by police because they're hearing two different commands from two different officers that are pointing guns at them. The problem here is society kicking you while you're down because some asshole robbed you. It's the same thing as asking a woman who was raped why she was wearing a skirt. Hey, maybe not rape instead? How effective is it to discuss the specifics of hypothetical police shootings? Shouldn't we be asking why people are being shot by cops for no good reason? I would also add that cops that shoot people during the course of otherwise peaceful interactions are probably already in the mindset of "it's them or me". People that are that afraid shouldn't have the ability to end someone's life. If we want good policing, we should be addressing not only weeding out trigger-happy bullies, but the get out jail free cards and the taxpayer funded settlements cops get for being shitty at their job.
I think this is the heart of the situation. To be a police officer means you have to act simultaneously as a soldier, mental health specialist, addiction specialist, polite servant of the public and strongarm presence against "the bad guys," all simultaneously. And the cops get hired, sent to a twelve week academy, pass a basic fit test however often their collective bargaining agreement demands and unless they progress to a specialist unit that's IT for training. I don't think most departments even have a reliable infrastructure for hiring or training, given the vast amount an officer is expected to do. Anyone who can be a 26-year veteran in a major urban city and not be able to distinguish between a gun and a taser under pressure speaks to a systemic problem.
The training situation is really the key to the whole thing. Since the 90s and the Dinkheller video police are trained to always keep the upper hand in force to keep control of the situation. The whole force continuum thing needs to be rethought. Deescalation has been thrown around so much it’s a running joke for police. I don’t know what the ultimate answer is but being trained to go to your gun first leads to more use of them and more use the more deaths are going to happen.
Can anyone explain to me how dislocating the shoulder of an unarmed 73 year old woman in handcuffs isn't an immediate firing? I think this is the heart of a lot of the conflict; not that police aren't perfect, or they make mistakes, or there are bad apples, but that when those situations do crop up, there is just no accountability. People bristle at the rank hypocrisy of being policed on misdemeanors by people who can openly commit felonies without consequences.
How about killing a four month old puppy? “It charged at me.” Get bit, you fucking pussy. Maybe take a taste of what your canine officers do to human beings as a job, and stop traumatizing families because you’re too fucking scared and stupid to do anything but try and kill anything you perceive as something that might require as little as a band-aid. Absolutely goddamn pathetic. This is NOT just a training a problem. This is a STUPID PERSON problem. This is a small-dick, “I want a gun and a badge to push people around” problem. Stop hiring low-IQ sociopaths who can’t tell a playful puppy apart from an attacking guard dog. These people are fucking scum and are unqualified to work fast food, so why the FUCK are so many people cool with giving them a gun and impunity to do anything? Your entire policing system is shambles. They aren’t even TRYING to improve, they watch their own cities burn from the anger of citizens and do not give a fuck. They need to be reigned in as one. This Bad Apples shit was always a myth.
That's the problem, Crown. High IQ people either: A) Don't want the job*, or B) They aren't wanted on the force. I've heard numerous times that most police forces don't want intelligent cops, because their retention level is low, which goes back to point A. Also, jobs like this attract sociopaths. Same thing with politicians. *About ten years ago, I got to talk with a guy who USED to be a cop; I asked him why he stopped, and he told me a story about how he was chasing down some guy down an alley in a shitty neighborhood over some kind of credit card fraud, and he had him cornered in an abandoned building. He (the cop) was up against a really smelly dumpster, and flies kept getting in his face/ eyes/ nose, but he couldn't move because he was waiting for backup. At that moment, he told me that he thought: "I'm too smart for this shit." He was working as a manager at some trading warehouse when I met him, and he was making some pretty good money.
shit getting interesting at the police station in Brooklyn Center. There's always that transition between protesting, marching, whatever with signs, and then when people stop giving a fuck and start lighting shit on fire. And as that crowd starts to shift, I love how there's always these crazy fuckers running around shooting off fireworks. It's like they hoard those for years just so they can light them off before looting the newest headphone and a pair of rebooks.
fires have already been started by the police station and it's still half an hour to curfew. This is gonna get interesting here in a bit. Rioters (it's declared an illegal assembly) employing the umbrella wall tactic from Hong Kong, cops shooting through them with pepper balls.
The mayor of Brooklyn Center posted a Tweet saying he got to "Talk with these peaceful protestors." He was wearing a Kevlar helmet.
how is it possible to claim a peaceful protest, while simultaneously yelling "no justice, no peace, no racist ass police." Like literally your chant is saying what you are about to not do, and you're painting a group of people with a broad brush -- one of the things you're protesting against
Regg is live streaming from MN. He usually has the best streams, he always manages to be right where the action is.
Like I said, Regg always seems to be right where he needs to be. In Kenosha, he was right where the shootings occurred. Same in Louisville. Same in Atlanta. He gets bored with the main demonstration and starts roaming around and comes across the destruction.
woke.net shows them all on a page. If there's a compilation place like that with website that doesn't make me feel icky, let me know.
Just to hammer the point home that the police will NEVER reform, bodycam shows Chicago police kill a kid who drops a gun and puts his hands in the air. Have fun with THAT one, Windy City. Like your police haven’t failed you enough.
Not as simple as the kid had his hands in the air. He tossed the gun and spun around with his hands up in a millisecond. It was one quick motion on the run. As insanely fast as it all happened it’s a case where I empathize with police in these situations. It could have been life or death it’s why I’m not a cop. I don’t know how you’d tie in the short skirted rape victim analogy into this but the kid and the guy he was with were actively shooting at a car when this situation started. Criminal activity like that can end in your death. Hard not to say he didn’t contribute to his own demise.
there was also a shooter at the San Antonio airport yesterday that I guess wasn’t big news because he was apparently known to police and mentally ill. Bitch of it is, first he started shooting off a highway overpass, about 15 minutes after my wife crossed that same overpass. Then my sister in law was dropping off her parents at the airport when people started running and saying there was a shooter. They got back in the car and took off.