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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Crown Royal

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    Just call me Topher

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    The average salary for a cop in this city is $94,000 a year before overtime. 1% of it is taxed. There are guys who have raked in WELL over a cool half million in this city just sitting on their asses collecting their “paid vacation” (paid suspension) because suspending them without pay is forbidden in Ontario, thanks to Ford. Investigating them swiftly and without bias is also forbidden, evidently.
     
  2. Chase!

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    That is some next level pettiness right there. I had not even considered anything in that realm.
     
  3. walt

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    Gospel truth right there. When I was a paramedic, I think my best year I made $36,000, maybe slightly more. Definitely under $40k. And I was working 75 hours one week, 60 the next, as scheduled. Then there was the late calls, extra shifts, etc. I did that for 10 years. (Is it any wonder I consider myself semi-retired now?)
     
  4. Kubla Kahn

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    Did I just shit myself?

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    I had a boss that was so terrible I became depressed to the point of suicide. I slinked out of the job for my own fucking health. If I ever get a chance to burn that bitch to the ground Im taking it. I dont give a fuck what opportunity it could fuck up or blow up my spot. Some people deserve it. Kind of a judgement call on Chase!'s part if he willing to do that. There are legal liabilities to preventing someone from getting a job. Im not versed in them but HR at my last and current company explained that as the reason the company as policy didnt give references.
     
  5. Dcc001

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    Yeah, I’m more concerned with the liability standpoint than being kind. You don’t want to risk bringing a lawsuit down on your head just to twist a knife.

    That, and you don’t want to make yourself look petty or reckless in the eyes of your own colleagues or supervisors.
     
  6. Nettdata

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    I went full whistleblower when I left a previous job... to the point that they filed suit against me in Superior Court.

    Something about me breaking my iron clad NDA. I laughed and asked them to show me an executed NDA. For that matter, show me any employment paperwork AT ALL that had my signature on it.

    They couldn't, because I hadn't signed shit, and they were too fucking stupid to realize it. All I knew is that I got a cash deposit every month, and they got 40+ hours a week from me in work (documented), so that meant I had basic employment with them, but had not agreed to anything on any boilerplate contract or NDA.

    The suit got pulled pretty damn fast by the lawyers after they learned that, and they couldn't come after me for any damages because the Truth is an ultimate defence. I fucking hated that job.
     
  7. Crown Royal

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    If it’s not signed on paper, it never happened. The very first rule any lawyer lives by.
     
  8. Juice

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    I had a similar situation with a previous employer. About 6 months after I left the consulting firm I worked for, a former client had messaged me on LinkedIn and wanted to know if I did any freelance consulting work. I hadn't considered it, but I had an attorney whip up a boiler-plate consulting agreement and I did some work for them. A few months later, another client had reached out. A few months after that, another. The firm had gotten wind that I was now doing consulting for the clients that they still engage with and threatened to sue me for breaching the non-compete agreement I had apparently signed. I asked them to produce a copy of the signed document as I was prepared to acquiesce. They never replied to that request or the 3 subsequent follow-ups I had sent them. I come to find out through the grapevine from an ex-coworker that HR had fucked up my paperwork at some point and never received a signed copy of the NDA or the non-compete from me and a group of the partners were rip-shit about it. Even though I don't do nearly enough work to put a dent in their business, it's nice to know they hate me and they can't do anything about it.
     
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    I, too, have had legal issues with a previous employer. I say this again: even if you did NOTHING wrong and can prove it with a paper trail and recorded conversations, you will STILL spend upwards of $20k getting to the point where the other side says, "Okay, we'll stop pursuing you because it's a waste of time."

    And you cannot imagine the stress of that shit hanging over you. So while I agree that, sure, you may be in the clear at the end...is it worth the risk? Are you ever really made whole again after 2-3 years (that's how long civil cases take just to get rolling) and thousands of dollars? You have to decide that for yourself.

    The first rule I learned is that anyone can sue anyone else over anything, no matter how invalid. Don't think because you acted appropriately and can prove it that you WON'T get sued.
     
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    My former employer, great place to work and I hold absolutely no ill will towards, did make engineers sign a contract with a clause that I don't entirely agree with. If you quit within 13 months of any financial bonus, you had to repay that bonus. Meaning, if you quit in December, right after Christmas bonuses, you owed that year and the year before. That could easily get up over $100k owed back for some of the more tenured engineers.

    I found a way around paying bonuses back, though. Bring a girl back from bar to fuck and sleep in your office, get fired. Simple as that.
     
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    Police base salaries are often low for the given area, but overtime can easily double an officer's yearly take home.

    That said, it is highly dependent on location and department pay and bonus policies. In the DC area alone, it can vary wildly between departments. Case in point, DC Metro PD starting salary is $60k and when you finish your probationary period after 18 months jumps to $65k and base salary maxes out at $110k. The low end is tough to live on in the DC area and $110k is really not a lot in this area either, however it is impossible to not work overtime as a cop in a large metro area. A friend started life as a Secret Service uniformed officer and he said they were so chronically short staffed that you had to fight to not work the maximum allowable amount of overtime. That's at the federal level and a sizable portion of USSS uniformed police work is static protective security and dealing with tourons than walking a beat in a city neighborhood.

    There's always a need more officers so there's always overtime available and many departments have mandatory overtime for specific events...i.e. 4th of July in DC. Most also have some form of overtime policy for officers to handle administrative tasks; post arrest paperwork, training, etc. For example WMATA PD (DC subway police) has a policy of 3hrs mandatory overtime after making an arrest to handle booking and paperwork. WMATA PD's current starting base salary is $58k. The county I live in police starting base salary is at $52k and maxes around $95k.

    Meanwhile where I grew up in rural Pennsylvania, many small departments can't afford to keep officers full time let alone overtime or pay for training. The average yearly pay for the 15 full time officers in the town I went to high school is $35k. Many cops in the region end up working part time for multiple small departments. Here's an example McKeesport (suburb of Pittsburgh) job posting for a part time officer, salary $19hr. That's on the higher end for part time pay in the region. This article is from 2015, but discusses the issue further: W.Pa. relies heavily on part-time cops who receive low pay, no benefits

    Cops retire on $100k+ due to loopholes in contracts that failed to state retirement is based on average final 3yrs of base pay. Cops figured out the loophole and worked every hour they could their final 3yrs, then get a retirement based off the average of the gross pay instead of the base pay. It's not just cops that do this. It's an ongoing issue with Omaha's police & fire departments as their pension funds are running out of money. It's also exacerbated by a state and local government that consistently under funds those pension plans.
     
  12. Crown Royal

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    Get ready for riots in Elizabeth City. Three deputies resigned, seven more are suspended and the DA won’t release the bodycam “until it’s been edited to remove police officer’s faces”.

    Yeah, you are just TRYING to burn down your town, aren’t you?
     
  13. Chase!

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    The guy in question is super toxic. I mean he would take home the gold medal in the global twat waffle games. Since I have first hand knowledge of his extreme twat waffleness, I don't think it is in anyway illegal or immoral to deny him an interview flat out. That is assuming he applied for another position. The position he is currently applying for (mine) is no longer available. My current boss is aware of who he is and what he's done. She actually suggested bringing him in for an interview so I could see the look on his face when he saw that I was conducting it. Given that the job is no longer available, I feel that is just wrong. To quote one of my favorite movie lines: "I might be a bastard but I'm not a fucking bastard."
     
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    Something like this was one of the reasons I finally got the balls to leave my last job. They handed me a contract that looked like it'd been written by a high school freshman and I was really uncomfortable with signing. My wife looked at it, and agreed. So I refused, and long story short, walked out the next day. Best thing I ever did.
     
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    Did I just shit myself?

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    I guess the FDA is banning menthol cigarettes and flavored cigars. This include blunt wraps? What the hell Grandpa Joe?
     
  16. Juice

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    So as we try to crush the illegal weed trade by inching closer and closer to national legalization, they go and create a black market for menthols because of “The Children!” and because gays and blacks like to smoke them. So stupid.
     
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  18. Crown Royal

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    The idea is they outlaw EVERYTHING black people like, that way their very existence is illegal and you can jail them on impulse. All they have to do now is make morbidly obese white women illegal, and black guys are toast.

    Besides, there will always be a heavenly oasis where the menthol flows free. We call them “native reservations”. Go there and be free, my children.
     
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    But menthol cigarettes suck ass.
     
  20. Chase!

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    But.........you can't outlaw military wives....