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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

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    "So what you want is a simple, down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall, and filled with magic robots?"
     
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    I just got to thinking:

    We were flushing $100,000,000,000 a year down the toilet in Trashcanistan; how much healthcare could that have bought for the American people?
     
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    I think the last estimate I saw was that total healthcare expenses were around $3.8 trillion a year. So not much, unfortunately. Also, get a load of this fucking dumbass:

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    Yeah... that is primo "fuck you" right there... if you're stupid enough to do this (as a bunch of Canadians are right now), then you deserve to find your own way out and not endanger anyone else to help you.

    4chan idiot.. say no more.
     
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    Wasn’t there some chick a few years back who went to Syria or something to try to show that the world had it all wrong with these guys? And then she was promptly kidnapped, raped and killed?
    I’ll have to go find it.

    edit: her name was Kayla Mueller and it was ISIS who killed her.
     
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    And that moron that went on vacation to North Korea, stole a poster, and was released in a vegetative state.
     
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    Ahh yes... Rambo 4... one of my favourite Rambos...


     
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    Didn't some idiot try to visit Sentinel Island to preach the gospel?

    EDIT: Found it.

     
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    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Rambo won't always be there to save your ass.
     
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    Is that $3.8T in actual costs, or the inflated cost from dealing with an entire healthcare industry that absolutely must pay its executives million dollar salaries? Cut out the middleman and stop hospitals from wildly overcharging just to settle the bill somewhere in the middle, how much would it be then?
     
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    Then there was the UCLA student who joined the Syrian rebels because he was bored. Unlike the others, he made it home safely without intervention by the state department. Which just goes to show you, it pays to make friends.
     
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    Im not sure on that, but I fully agree with you. It’s why I’m hesitant to support universal healthcare. Without fixing the root issue, prices stay the same or will continue to go up, especially if hospitals know the government is footing the bill. Those expenses then get passed on to the taxpayer. I have the same issue with canceling student loan debt. Fix the underlying cause and then I’m on board.
     
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    The problem with "fixing the root issue" is that the root doesn't want to be fixed, and will spend every dollar and lobby every Congressman to avoid it. Rip it out once and for all, Medicare for All if you have to, cut them off right at the knees. Gradual steps will never work.
     
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    I don't agree with that. Just flipping a switch overnight will just fuck up people's lives. It's part of the reason Obamacare is such a shitty program. Two of the four major factors that affect market conditions are the government and supply/demand ratios. If that ratio is not reset in favor of the patient rather than the providers/insurance companies before sweeping policies are introduced, the large expenses are just needlessly passed onto the tax payers, as I previously mentioned. You can't forcibly and suddenly redesign/deploy a market without significant turmoil.
     
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    Maybe the problem is in continuing to treat it as a supply & demand market, rather than just "healthcare". A big part of the reason Obamacare turned out as it did is because so much of it was written by people working on behalf of the industry. You know that root I mentioned earlier?
     
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    While no country has a perfect healthcare system, be very cautious when playing the thought game of going full-on single-payer. Yes, a full universal healthcare system means that you never get a $1M bill for a heart attack or a complicated childbirth. It also means that you:

    - Won't get to pick your GP. You'll get whoever is taking new patients in your city (if any are), and once you're rostered you'll never be able to change unless you move. If you go to a walk-in clinic somewhere, the GP's office will call you weeks later when they find out and ask why. If you see too many WICs they will unroster you and you'll be without any primary care, period. They have to kick-back part of the fee they get from rostering you every time you visit somewhere else, you see, so they do whatever they can to discourage it.

    - You will wait forever for any non-emergency surgery. Period. Need a new knee? Tubes in your ears? ACL reconstruction? The wait is measured in months or years, depending on the city/town and how congested the ORs are. This is in "normal" time, never mind COVID.

    - You will see whoever the specialist is that your GP refers you to, and it will be weeks or months waiting. Can't walk because your foot has stopped working? Can't breath because that bronchitis won't go away? Need to see a psychiatrist for a serious mental issue? Get in line and wait.

    - Your out-of-hospital medicine, ambulance rides, teeth/dental and vision will not be covered.

    The system Canada currently has is very hit-or-miss, in my experience across three provinces. It's also a hidden two-tiered system. If you "know" someone, the experience is vastly different. Say your mom is an ER nurse, or you're on the university football team, or your GP is super connected and your family has been in his practice for generations. If you fall under that umbrella, you'll likely have very few issues. If you're new to town, or can't find a family GP, or have a GP who's new to the country, man. You could be in for a deeply frustrating time and no alternative to it.

    I personally advocate a blended system. Have a full-coverage public system, like we do here in Canada, but also have the option for private businesses if they want. I would happily pay more money in a year if it meant I didn't have to wait three weeks for a GP appointment (which is going to be 2 minutes where he refers me to a specialist).
     
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    I’m advocating for treating it as it exists, not some abstract concept inside a vacuum. Just saying we want to implement “healthcare” is not very meaningful. There needs to be market-guided caps on costs of treatment, a foundational change in healthcare supply chains (e.g. provider preference section, cost transparency, and physical supply management) as well as a streamlined approach that actually let’s people make their own choices regarding their care.