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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Kubla Kahn

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    Did I just shit myself?

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    Ive told the story before but when I got charged with my DUI I answered some questions, name and that I was driving, then “pled the 5th” on a number of the more incriminating ones. The prosecutor framed it to the jury, not that I was just enjoying one of our bedrock constitutional rights, but that I was being evasive because I was obviously guilty. She used my pleading the 5th against me. The statement “everything you say can and will be used against you” is very literal.
     
  2. xrayvision

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    The thing about that is the judge is supposed to make absolutely certain that it is known to the jury that pleading the 5th cannot be used as an implication of guilt. The fact that the prosecutor was doing and saying those things without objection by your attorney or the judge is appalling.
     
  3. Kubla Kahn

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    It’s been 12 years and I’m no lawyer but it stuck out in my mind. I don’t remember my lawyer objecting. I didn’t testify at the trial and that’s not what the prosecutor was talking about. These were all to questions on the police report the night of. Basically answered every question the cop asked me then said “I’m going to take the 5th” when he asked me if I had drank and again when he asked how many I had drank. Anyway the jury wasn’t swayed by the state’s case.
     
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    It feels to me like the prosecutor was misstating who bears the burden in a criminal case in a deliberate attempt to confuse the jury. A lot of times, depending on the location, juries can be full of morons. You got lucky it seems.
     
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    I've been on two juries before. You go in thinking it's going to be like 12 Angry Men, and quickly realize what a "jury of your peers" actually means. Half of the people are complaining about missing work or when they're going to eat, a quarter are basically retarded and 2 or 3 actually take it seriously. That being said, I'd still prefer that over having some politically-compromised magistrate deciding everything.
     
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    When I got called in for jury duty I was excused because I'd previously been falsely accused of a crime by police and therefore don't trust police testimony. The judge seemed weirdly excited about the fact that had my railroading gone to trial, it could have been in his courtroom. All smiles as he told me about this hypothetical connection we could have had. Yeah, that would've been awesome bro, but I'ma head out.
     
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    I feel like the entire justice system is like that. You believe - or are at least accustomed to - a laundry list of things you see on television dramas, none of which play out in real life.

    In civil litigation:
    - It's only for the wealthy. Lawyers are $400/hr plus all the expenses of the office.
    - Anyone can sue anybody at any time over anything. Literally nonsense cases. Oh, and if you do get sued - and you can prove, with a irrefutable paper trail, that you are in the clear - it's going to cost you $20k just to get to the point of making the idiots go away.
    - Having an actual trial is both rare and time-consuming. From when the first paper is sent in a suit to the time it finally sees the inside of a court, we're talking years. And that's for your garden-variety, ho-hum litigation about a boring thing that's merely a dispute. If memory serves in the case I was involved with, it was about four years from time of service to the court date being named. So have fun with that shit hanging over your head forever.

    In criminal litigation:
    - It's always the same people. The cops aren't arresting someone new every day; it's the same group of drug addicts and petty thieves. The cops usually know them all by name on site.
    - Again, it's insanely expensive
    - There's no incentive in the system to stop it. If you ever go to, say, contest a traffic ticket, have a look around. A judge, a stenographer, the Crown, the cops...if you had to guess at the billable rate in that room, it's THOUSANDS of dollars per hour. They all get paid the same regardless of the outcome, so there's no incentive to push people through quicker or pursue less cases. Ideally, you want the goal of a society to be as few trials as possible, but when you have the entire industry and careers dependent on the system, it does not make itself less needed.

    Oh, and jury trials are really rare, in my experience.
     
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    Things I learned from my jury trial. The state has unlimited resources compared to the defendants so you can either be well off enough to pay a good lawyer (mine cost about 10k after the whole thing) or more likely than not you’ll get a public defender that will push for a plea deal. The poor and uneducated people who wind up the most in court don’t stand a chance.

    Two, jury selection is done completely on the basis of sexual and racial demographics likelihood to vote one way or the other, the concept of trying to find an impartial juror is a complete joke.

    Three, truth based on the facts is up to the interpretation of each side. Same facts represent two stories. Objective truth is not a part of the legal system.
     
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    This seems dramatic, I'm sure there's some backup being booted as I type. Still, if FB was suddenly gone it would be no great loss.
     

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    FB hasn't been working for me today so maybe it is.
     
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    Has Zuckerberg really lost over $5 billion net worth today with the outtage?
     
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    What gets me is the people who bought their Oculus Quest for some harmless covid lockdown VR fun, and now they can't use it because it requires FB login.
     
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    He's still worth $120 billion. The only thing that happened today is that he's now worth less than Bill Gates. His life will not change a bit.

    Hell, take $100 billion away and he's still got $20 billion to do literally whatever the fuck he wants, anywhere, anytime, for many lifetimes.
     
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    It has disappeared from the internet. That's not to say it's been deleted, but this is a colossal fuckup that makes it look to the wider internet as if Facebook's servers don't even exist. There was a guy posting in r/sysadmin who claimed to be a facebook employee whose information seemed pretty on the money. According to him it's a bad BGP configuration and Facebook's engineers have effectively locked themselves out of their own servers. They'll need to fix it locally with physical access to the machines. But it's also likely that the people on-site don't have the necessary expertise (because they were never expected to correct this kind of colossal fuckup), so they'll probably have to fly out engineers from HQ (or play the world's most annoying game of telephone).
     
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    If TikTok is ever deleted it will be the greatest celebration since the fall of the Berlin Wall. All non-retards, united in harmony over a single bliss.
     
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    No kidding, all of their DNS entries are gone. I sincerely hope they got hacked.
     
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    Interesting. DNS and static routing (BGP and other configs) would generally be dynamically created and propagated, but usually it is done with out of band comms.

    They should have no need for hands on reconfig.

    I smell a hack.
     
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    Well, when you "move fast and break things", sometimes you break things. Wouldn't surprise me if Facebook's stack was a jenga tower of hacks going back years, and one of them finally fell.
     
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    Yeah... and it could be that some new script somewhere deleted all the config target addresses, etc, or some other "oh shit" moment that is going to take hundreds of man hours to reconstruct.

    It will be very interesting to see just how much detail comes out in any kind of post mortem.
     
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    Did you ever see that internal presentation called "iOS can't handle our scale"? The engineer who gave it posted it proudly, but then pulled it after he and Facebook got roasted for a truly heady mix of terrible practices and arrogance in not just defending them, but elevating them as some kind of hyper-scale genius.