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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. downndirty

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    I'm pretty sure he was talking about Wordle.

    But, I'm thrilled to see professional wrestling be incorporated into politics.

    Any insight/confirmation that Russian generals were killed in Ukraine? That sounds....grave.
     
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    Hard to find a lot of info, there’s no markers.
     
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...cingconscripts-to-follow-orders-report-2022-3

    I believe Russia has even confirmed a couple of them.
     
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    It's pretty clear the strategy is to funnel as much money/supplies into Ukraine as possible to create a killing field to prevent Russian forces from reaching the border of the Baltic republics and other NATO countries. An accidental conventional confrontation with NATO would be a doomsday scenario.
     
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    With nukes.
     
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    What do y'all think the odds are that this is misinformation?

    I keep hearing about how Russia is saving the "real" attack for later.

    Has anyone seen/ heard any news about more troops and supplies being trucked in?
     
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    Why did they ask China for military equipment?
     
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    Well, I hope you're right, because I've wanted to see Russia get the royal bitch-slapping they deserve; I think they got off too easy when the USSR broke up.

    Question: IF China gives them weapons (after Pooh Bear make Putin sign in blood), do you think the Russian soldiers are even competent enough to use them effectively?
     
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    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44592/russia-has-already-lost

    The longer this takes, the more volatile it becomes. At some point, Putin's only viable option would be genocide of the Ukrainian people: an occupation would make the last 40 years of Afghanistan look like a 2nd grade pizza party.

    The other consideration the article does a great job of illustrating is not much is stopping Russia from doing this whenever it pleases, even if a ceasefire occurs.
     
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    It’s scary, but it also seems like Russia needs to make agreements not just with Ukraine, but with the rest of NATO who are placing the sanctions on them. It’s one thing to negotiate a ceasefire and stopping the war in exchange for some territory or something. But it’s arguable the sanctions don’t get lifted until Putin is no longer in power.
     
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    That seems to be the most likely outcome, but Putin still has the codes for the nuclear arsenal, and isn't exactly friendly to retirement planning.
     
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    Wow. Major attack at the shipyard. 1 Russian ship sinking/exploding at the port, 2 running away, one of which is visibly on fire.

    EDIT: Found the original YT link:

     
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    BBC has some coverage on it plus there is some drone footage of the ship while it was unloading

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60859337
     
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    I mean, the other thing is to keep eliminating their military on an ongoing basis. You can only kick and scream so much but when there’s no one left to kill, what’s left? Drop a nuke and call it a day?
     
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    It's crazy to think how civilian drones could impact this conflict.
     
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    Not only that, but think of the urban warfare that the civilians have been prepared for this whole time. They are all mostly armed with AK’s and Molotov cocktails. The Russians are being eliminated in the forests. They’ve never even really made it to a major city. The Russians haven’t even begun to lose people yet.
     
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    Maybe not a nuke, but WMD's, biological weapons, hell even gas. Do we think Putin is above those measures? Looking at the defense Ukraine has mounted, how does Russia declare even a superficial victory, without completely depopulating whatever territory they'd claim to occupy?

    One thing that is striking: the leaps in technology that allow for tank and air defense to essentially fit into guerilla warfare tactics, and the thousands of such arms making their way into Ukraine. I think Putin was counting on teenagers with AK's, and instead found a pretty sophisticated, well-armed and adept resistance.

    Current US military doctrine about "winning hearts and minds" suddenly make a LOT more sense, considering how bitter this is and how a few small groups can destroy billions worth of aircraft, tanks and ships. It's mindblowing how basic tenets of military doctrine, like unified command and coordinated operations are being ignored.

    As this stretches on, I don't see how Russia recovers from this. The US/NATO will want to punish Russia for breaking the peace, and do so to the extent they can ensure it never happens again. China will increasingly view Russia's future as "white, drunk, nuclear North Korea", with all the headache that entails, and will low-key supply them with whatever to get their commodities, but won't overtly support them. The internal decay of the Russian population will continue for at least a few more years, most likely sliding down the development ladder for a decade, if not more. The worst case scenario is a destabilized Russia, and it seems that's exactly what we'll get. If the "new Russia" is friendlier to the West or to the East, that will determine a large part of the forthcoming world order.