It's like talking about how much you lost at the casino. Bragging about how much you had, and anti-bragging about the stupid decisions you made with it.
I mean, yeah 'cause roommates.... DRUGS, not meds. Because for some mental illnesses, you just don't want to have to keep explaining yourself. What's your point? Is the insinuation that if I went unmedicated and lived alone, I might be tempted to shoot up a place? Is that how you think this sort of thing happens? FWIW, this is a senseless tragedy that only happens here, and will continue to happen, because we have some truly sick people who have access to very effective weaponry, and have, as a society, decided to do nothing about guns, violence or mental health. I'd say give it 6 weeks, and there will be another one. "Ooh, but this one had a ICE agent respond". How novel, and still utterly futile.
So it looks like the original story from the cops was that the shooter was wearing body armor. But it turns out it was just the vest with no plates. So they lied about it(unsurprising) and let the dude go in and kill 19 kids. They couldn’t be more useless.
Counting down the days until body armor is illegal or at least highly restricted on the civilian market. Stuff is everywhere on gun subs with gravy seals larping and showing off their “rigs.” Scary to think some of those could be future mass murderers. I’ve never found a particular need to get any, and don’t really care if it does get restricted (someone just do SOMETHING with these shootings). Wouldn’t surprise me if they do become the sacrificial lamb though. In related news, fled cruz and Abbott are both speaking in Houston this Friday at an NRA convention.
I can't say it's zero but I can say that the large large majority of mass shootings are not carried out by gun nuts. The Vegas shooter might have been (can't recall) but most of these seem to be carried out by young men that have had fucked up lives and not by the guy flying the Gadsden flag and buying tactile toothbrushes . How many of these "kids" have had tumultuous or zero relationships with their father?
It becomes much less understandable when you realize that while a few of the cops were busy rescuing their own children the rest of them decided that rather than go in and end the situation it would be a better use of the considerable manpower on the scene to rough up parents who were sick of standing around listening to their children being slaughtered. https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961 https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153 https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683
I also read that Uvalde spends 40% of their municipal budget on their police dept. Exactly what are they doing? Look at this gaggle of dipshits.
I’m not endorsing the deputies rescuing their own children first, and they should all be summarily fired, at best. But if I were in that situation and my kids were in that school, I probably wouldn’t do anything different. Any person that says they would either doesn’t have kids or is lying.
that’s roughly in line with the major cities in Texas. Not that I think it’s right, but just to provide some added perspective.
That entire police department should be dissolved. Not because of the ones who ran inside, but for the brainless coward fucks who tackled parents instead of doing their goddamn jobs. Fucking pathetic. Pose with your pop guns in as many photos as you want, you are chickenshits, period.
It kind of flies in the face of all of right wing “see what happens when you defund the police” talking points. I guess it’s much easier to dedicate your force to prosecuting petty drug “crime”, beating on unarmed civilians, and shooting black people to fucking death. But god forbid there’s an actual school shooting that they are literally on site for, and they piss their pants and wait for backup while 18 ten year olds get shot in the fucking face. We have an over-militarized police force designed to overwhelm people and intimidate them into complete submission but a depressed emo pussy with a basic AR15 brings an entire department to heel?
It’s funny how having to do what they constantly brag about doing and demand respect for is actually what brings out their true colours. Unprepared, overpaid and completely clueless how to do things right.
I'm willing to bet there was some sort of coms or command challenge where no one had orders or situational awareness. They wouldn't go in, because no one told them to, and they assumed (wrongly) some other element was going in. If they had orders to maintain a perimeter and didn't follow them, that would get them in more trouble, and possibly get them shot by "friendly fire" or let parents rush in, making it impossible to neutralize the shooter. Ignoring orders in a situation like this is a crime, one that cops have a strong and vested interest in prosecuting: if you don't follow orders, you put everyone in danger. One of the fundamental tenets of emergency response is "do what you're fucking told", so you don't make things worse. Whoever was in charge has the blame, for sure. An officer doing what they were ordered to do in that situation is unfortunate and not a good look, but one that is defendable and will stand up in court. If it comes out that there were no orders given, no one identified as in charge, and the only thing they conceived to do independently was form a perimeter...they deserve to be fucking tried as an accessory. Doing nothing when you're told to do nothing is shitty, but won't get you crucified. Choosing to do nothing when you have capacity, and nothing desisting you from acting (by way of orders) is a fucking crime, analogous to a doctor watching someone savable bleed out. I think that's unlikely, because immediately you establish hierarchy in case YOU'RE the senior officer and thus in charge, and certainly in the first few minutes, the situational awareness is God-awful. All you know is active shooter, elements are on the way/on scene. Who's doing what, where, what's secured, etc. is almost always wrong if you have any information in the first place. Chances are whoever was in charge was given conflicting information and decided to stay put, assuming the lowest risk of that conflicting information. Ie, "you're in charge, but SWAT is on the way, and should be here any second now" conflicts with "We don't know what's going on in the building" and "you're in charge, all we know is active shooter, possibly multiple shooters." If it was me, I'd take 2 out of the 3 together, and think multiple shooters, and dispatch someone to get me better intel, while keeping the perimeter intact, and calling for all the help I could think of. At no point does "send every cop inside" enter the realm of possibility, because the likelihood of that being the right thing to do is small. They played the odds, and lost catastrophically. Everybody likes to think they'd charge in guns blazing, and it's a very powerful and appealing fantasy. Few people do, and even fewer should, and cops KNOW THIS. That said, FORTY GODDAMNED MINUTES is an unacceptable delay. Five minutes for a cop to run to the building assess whatever they can find and run back. Then do it again, so ten minutes max, and on the eleventh minute, if no SWAT or whatever is confirmed, we go to neutralize the threat. That gives you 5-10 minutes to delegate, call in your intent and get some idea of when help is arriving. Forty minutes sitting on your dick is a crime, and I hope they get forty years of sitting on someone else's dick in prison.
I saw someone post that 18 minutes of the police scanner audio is missing? I just saw a twitter screenshot of it, no link or anything if somebody can confirm. My guess is possibly the point where officers realized their kids were there maybe.