But Seriously...

I don't want to serve in a militia. I just want to whip out my 9mm at a stop sign when somebody tries to carjack me. Or use my rifle to shoot deer. And trespassers.

 

I just want to be able to buy a gun legally, so I can glance over at the locked safe every now and then and think “shit yeah, I own a gun motherfuckers.”

 

If you want more gun control the only answer is to get an amendment passed that limits the 2nd. Like it or not we said everyone can have a gun in this country we're making. I'm not a gun owner for what its worth but they literally went so after life what's the second most important thing to us and they picked that. It's a living document so amend it or accept that its ok.

 

Spoiler

This shit is why I hate all the speculating about the manifesto being "hidden." This is SOP; authorities don't want to encourage copycats or encourage the idea that mass violence is a way to get your message heard. It's just not a common scenario to encounter, because the times when a spree killer writes a manifesto, but doesn't themselves release it in advance, are pretty rare.

 

yeah I'm signing off for precisely no one. People are REALLY good at hiding what they're doing, especially if something like their right to own a firearm is on the table based upon that behavior. I would not want to catch shit if someone went off the deep end and I wasn't snooping around enough.

let's just try enforcing the laws we already have before we start making new ones. Every time one of these shootings happens, inevitably it comes out a few days later that the police and/or military knew about them and were concerned at some point in time. "If you see something say something, but we still won't do shit."

 

Literally what happened with the last one. All the steps that should be followed, were. Except the very last one.

 

So do you mean to tell me that you have guns in a state with lax requirements because you fear that there is good reason to have them taken from you?
Do you think you know twelve people who - knowing of your past mental issues - would sign of on you owning a gun?

I don't mean to pick on you, but you brought this up, and you really remind me of some people I know.

Every time there's a shooting, they are blowing up Facebook calling for stricter laws/ "assault weapons" bans/ etc.

However, when I ask them if they are willing to give up their guns, suddenly it becomes an issue of "Of course not! I'm a responsible gun owner!"

It's like me saying "Global warming/ climate change/ pollution is really bad! Everyone should drive EVs! Except me, though. I'm going to keep driving my V8 car."

 

I am by no means a responsible gun owner, I'm barely a gun owner. If I had to take my shit to NoVA, I would, but I don't. I only have guns I inherited, and if I had to do actual work to keep them, I dunno what my choice would be. I am one of the few folks here who's lived in various murder capitals at points in my life, unarmed. I have zero illusions that someone like me with no formal gun training, no military/police experience and a superficial understanding of the gun laws in the various states I reside in would use a gun in any way but tragic. I don't like guns, I don't really want my guns, aside from the 2-3 times a year someone wants to go target shooting. I'm an incidental gun owner, at best. I kind of scoff at the folks who believe a gun is anything but a tragedy in waiting.

I know of 12 folks, yes. Hell, the volunteer fire department would. I am a notary, I am well-regarded enough around these parts, I don't think if I knocked on my neighbor's door, they'd have any feathers ruffled.

I find myself seeing piles and piles of dead kids, and all of the sudden the reason trick or treating isn't done so much isn't the pandemic. The malls are empty, the school security is baffling, and the people clamoring for their guns start to sound like the same kind of people saying you don't need to use a condom. The louder they holler about how much they want their guns, the less it seems they should be aloud to keep them.

I'm saying if you can get 12 folks to say "yup, this fucker here is good for my militia" then you don't need any stricter laws, no federal (hell, even state) regulations, own fucking rocket launchers for all I care. Not much difference between a "jury of your peers" and a dozen folks in a community to say you're a safe enough bet.

If I couldn't get a dozen folks to sign off, and I'm not willing to register as a gun owner with the feds....yeah, I'm saying that's the kind of fucker who shouldn't own guns, by the literal definition of the 2nd amendment.

I'm all for "something" being better than "nothing" and I'm not exempt from some paperwork if I want the fucking MURDER to stop, which, as luck would I have it, I kind of do.

I think at the end of the day, the folks who are saying "I shouldn't have to do shit to keep my guns" are going to lose to the "we've lost thousands of dead kids to random violence" crowd, and the sooner we organize solutions around responsible gun owners, the less of a hassle it would be. If for no other reason than no other country on Earth has the kind of violence we live with, until they all hit a saturation point and took action against the fucking guns. I don't think we're special, I think we just need a LOT more dead kids than the average Canadian or Australian before we ban guns.

 

Penn Jillette has a wonderful quote on atheism that I believe applies here to gun ownership as well:

 

At least he's a gentleman about it.

 

That's interesting. Because the Hamas group believes in God, and they like raping AND guns.

 

thing is, that's not their sole intended purpose though. I present to you, the DP-12 Double Barrel Pump shotgun. There is no world in which this was designed or intended as a weapon of war. Its stated intent is as a home defense weapon, because they have to market it somehow and "just fucking look at it!!!" doesn't sit well with the triggered crowd. It sucks for home defense though, because it malfunctions like every third round. I know, because my neighbor who just died had one. I shot his many times. Do you know what it's awesome for though? Having fun shooting at targets

 

tell me you're vegan without telling me you're vegan

 

I don't know what squeezing soy means. But, why didn't they extend that post longer, showing how you can use date rape drugs to kill deer, or if somebody tries to break in your house and you want to defend your family, you can just drug them with date rape juice? Or, you can go to your local skeet range and knock down trap targets by date raping them?

 

This perspective is kind of the point. For an increasing number of folks, that's their experience with firearms. Not hunting, certainly not the personal pro myth (they've seen that whole argument twisted by folks like Rittenhouse), not the only real argument for guns (target/skeet shooting). Death. Violence, or the coercion of violence. Perpetrated by "good guys" who seem to have an inordinate fascination with means of killing things, and often indiscriminately, in public, and using mental illness as some sort of cover story for why the guns aren't the issue.

Also, the research shows that if they did have a gun, they'd simply be more likely to commit suicide, have it used against them, or shoot a loved one. Maybe the research is flawed, and maybe it omits a TON of deterrence that goes unmeasured, but until we get better facts, the ones that are out there are pretty damning.

It's not like you can just randomly hunt deer, anyway, that's seasonal and subject to plenty of regulation, and you're certainly not hunting with a lot of the guns available now.

The point is get this violence under control NOW, or that perspective becomes the prevailing one, and then it all goes up in flames.

 

I tell you what, folks, quick-reading this site can make some statements sound REALLY surprising at first. I was about to request the “I Murdered My Neighbor, AMA” post.

 

he had it coming