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But Seriously...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Juice, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Misanthropic

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    One major reason is funding. Having a lot of laws necessitates a great amount of funding to enforce those laws, otherwise they will be meaningless. You've already pointed out the funding issues we have elsewhere - increasing funding for enforcement of many laws would politically impossible. And even if we were rolling in cash, special interests would block increased funding.

    Two examples:

    1) Trump, and many of his more witless supporters, think we should build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. Try doing some research on the building of such a wall. It would be insanely expensive and take a couple of lifetimes. If we used a fraction of the insane amount of money it would take to build a wall to instead enforce exiting laws, many of the perceived immigration problems we have with Mexico could be addressed.

    2) The NRA will never, ever allow, without a huge fight, increased funding for increased enforcement of gun laws. Never. Ever. With all of the shootings that have occurred in the last decade, they have never once prosed increased enforcement or increased spending for enforcement. Increased enforcement yes - but for "thugs" and gangbangers", conveniently ignoring the issue of mass shootings.
     
  2. ODEN

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    I agree, that leads us down the path toward a conclusion or several conclusions: Considering our debt load and current levels of deficit spending, is the Federal Government's position in creating the law, administering and enforcing the law becoming untenable? At this point it would appear that the application of the law is unbalanced, or more to the point, applied and administered in a partisan fashion and I don't think that is what was intended at any stage of the development of this nation.
     
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    Did I just read that the US Senate voted to cut funding to Planned Parenthood? Really?
     
  4. toytoy88

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    Sure. Why not? Anything to divide the country even further and keep everyone arguing. Smoke and mirrors.
     
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    Can't have them selling dead baby parts.

    Or maybe since they don't sell dead baby parts the Republicans just hate women.
     
  6. CharlesJohnson

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    People have been saying PP is immune to defunding because of a bill of attainder. http://www.thefacultylounge.org/201...ng-as-unconstitutional-bill-of-attainder.html

    Whether that holds water remains to be seen. The GOP majority has tried 60 times to repeal Obamacare, not counting yet another repeal vote on Thursday along with the vote to defund PP. They don't have any intention of actually succeeding. It is all political theater.

    Funny enough three republicans up for re-election have entered an amendment to remove the PP defunding measure from the bill.[/url]
     
  7. ODEN

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    Amazing how PP is against their religious and moral values but at the same time they want to cut welfare......I seem to remember Jesus being a pretty giving dude. Not sure how they rationalize that one.
     
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    That's because the pro-life movement is full of shit. If an individual truly believes that abortion is unethical, I can understand their belief. I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to argue their sense of ethics. On the other hand, the pro-life movement is really just about controlling the sexuality of women. If they were really against abortion they'd be in favor of things that actually reduced the demand for abortions. You know, things like sex-education in schools and easy access to birth control, which they endlessly campaign against.
     
  9. ODEN

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    So, it seems that there isn't a lot of reporting on the Mass Shooting event today since it doesn't fit the approved narrative where it was Muslims doing the killing. I suppose it is the responsible thing after all to avoid the bubbas going out and shooting up the mosques. So, anyways, I decided to do a little reading because the Ministry of Truth has started using this term "Mass Shootings" and discussing the fact that there have been more mass shootings than days so far this year as part of their never ending propaganda to get them ever closer to their goal.

    It seems a mass shooting, by the definition I could find, is an event of gun violence that results in 4 or more people dead. Now, here is where I had a really hard time finding anything that remotely looked like real stats and where the bullshit from each side took over but.....it has me overjoyed, this means that the liberal media, as part of their debate about gun violence are finally, finally going to start recognizing the epidemic of black on black violence and maybe, just maybe, start to address it as an issue. Because, to my recollection, the only statistics trotted out before were instances of AR violence or as they are starting to refer to it as: "long gun violence".

    Who knows, in any case, I'm not picking sides here, only hoping that the propaganda machines on both sides start being honest.

    Now, no bullshit, there isn't any info on this: were there two shooters or three? Initially it was 3, 2 killed and 1 in custody, is that still the case? Or has suspect three been erased from the reports and in the memory hole, aka at the finger nail factory.
     
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    They could do every other job in the country before this. I guess not play in the nfl. The results with women in combat thus far have been mixed to put it generously. However, I would bet the real reason we still won't see very many women in combat roles is because 95% of the people who want to do it are men. We'll still read stupid articles about institutionalized sexism when the discrepancy continues to exist. Because the only reason women wouldn't want do 50% of something is sexism. Duh.
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/politics/gun-control-obamacare-planned-parenthood-senate/index.html

    This was the stupidest goddamn legislation I've seen in my entire life. Everything from the process, the way the bill was written, the roll out, opponents, proponents... what a fucking mess. To go through all that shit only to have it defunded just seems so consistent.

    I still have no idea what the GOP means by real health care reform. Sean Hannity suggested an affordable full coverage package you can carry from job to job. How is that supposed to work if everything else you want to do is slash government funding and eviscerate legislative oversight? Gee fuck nuts, maybe try public health care? If everyone could afford premium insurance outside their employers (and still pay exorbitant fees on top of it when they get really sick) they would already be doing it. Sorry, but no, it's not expensive because the government keeps interfering with subsidies, you fucking moron.


    The conservative Christian politics in this country have never been about what they're supposed to do as Christians. It's been about stopping other people from doing things that bother them that they can claim bothers them because they're Christians.
     
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    It's window dressing in case Obamacare tanks the economy. The CBO can defund it any time it wants to.
     
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    Health care has been tanking the economy since well before Obamacare and it's been getting steadily worse.

    When you're spending 17.1% of your GDP on health care you have a pretty serious problem.
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    Edit: I find it pretty funny so many people claim Obama made their health care so expensive when costs were soaring under Bush, but they've been stagnant under Obama. It's kind of like the tea party protesting Obama's tax hikes after he cut their taxes.

    Aside: When the tea party was polled, 98% of them couldn't answer correctly what tax trends had occurred under Obama. A movement named after a tax revolt, that is primary about what the tax levels should be, protesting what the government is doing with their taxes/amount taken, and has no fucking idea what is going on with taxes. If that doesn't convince people politics in this country have gotten unbelievably stupid I'm not sure what will.
     
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    They're saying it was 2. There was another in custody who was seen fleeing the shoot out, but it was determined that person wasn't involved. Which kind of makes sense, if I was walking down the street and a huge fire fight erupted I'd be fleeing the scene too.
     
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    Islamic Center of Palm Beach vandalized.

    Yep. Sounds about right. Some goofy FL waste of space. No doubt drunk as shit.

    One in TX around the time of the refugee drama: http://www.kvue.com/story/news/crim...ore-apart-dumped-feces-quran-mosque/75884812/

    If anyone sees more stories like this, post 'em or send the link to me, please. I do not like bullies and fools, anyone who won't leave someone else the fuck alone.
     
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    Unfortunately, as long as the administration tries to paint this as work place violence so it fits their agenda, these things are going to continue happening because a lot of people are pissed.

    Usually during a national tragedy the president attempts to calm the nation and bring people together in unity. Not so in this case, Obama has gone out of his way to divide the country even further by refusing to issue a any kind of statement other then "We need gun reform" and "This may not be terrorism".

    The world is laughing at us and I can't blame them one bit.
     
  17. Juice

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    Well hes the de facto leader of the left wing and hes a shitty president, what did you expect? He's way more concerned about his own legacy than he is about doing anything substantive, he always has been. Toe the party line, no matter how stupid or incredulous the position is. People are going to keep getting killed while he hangs around whining about climate change, completely disconnected from reality.

    He wont say or do anything unless things get very, very bad. Until then, its by lines for the 100 newspapers that lick his balls daily, complaining how fox news is somehow ruining everything, and making hollow statements until January 2017*.

    *And before people jump up my ass about just being a dick head Republican, I'm not nor have I ever have been a member of the Republican party. I'll earnestly support someone no matter what party they belong to if they do a good job, and tear them to shreds if they dont. George Bush was a retard too.


    And CJ - not sure if this is the kind of thing you're looking for because its outside the US, but here ya go:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-34995431
     
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    This shooting in California is as much about workplace violence as the shooting in Paris was anti-concert violence.
     
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    Well certainly the location wasn't a coincidence given that he'd worked there for five years. Mr. Bell was wondering why they didn't shoot up a mall given that they would have likely gotten more victims, and I was thinking that he probably chose his own workplace due to personal grievances with his coworkers. 12 of the victims were his coworkers.

    This is rather a clever move by the terrorists. We still haven't come down from the hysteria of letting Syrian refugees into the country and they pull this move which proves without a doubt that they have already gotten to us. They took an American citizen and brainwashed/conditioned/whatever you want to call it him and his wife to the point that they were willing to gun down his coworkers after dropping off their 6 month old child with it's grandmother. They had a family and a life and threw it away. And now I feel terribly bad for Muslims in this country, because the eyes of the scared will be focused on all Muslims now, not just ones that are new to the country. It's horrible.