But Seriously...

First off, thanks for linking those two articles about the work you were involved in. It's good to see a group started to help integrate people into a different society. It did miss the mark of what I was asking, as I'm more interested in hearing what people in the minority communities are doing to pass along their belief system to the younger generation of their own communities. As an example, black Americans living in the 60's probably had a very different viewpoint about racism than black Americans living in 2015. Within those communities, are we still holding onto the same mindset about racism and passing it along to the next generation, or has their been a shift in what we are passing along to the next generations.

Moving on, where are you coming up with this idea that I'm hoping people just accept that they should be happy with their lot in life and should just shut the fuck up? Seriously, you are putting some aggressive, hateful words into my mouth and I haven't even come remotely close to saying anything of the sort.

The next point you make pretty much sums up the thought I have on the topic. You say, what good does it do for a marginalized group to build on positive aspects...Basically saying, I'm going to focus on the negative aspects of a problem and solidify my viewpoint based around that.
It's not just having a positive attitude and everything will be all right. Actually, if you read the articles you posted for me, it actually covers some of the ideas I'm trying to get across. Identifying what some of the core problems are, and coming up with positive ideas to show people how their life doesn't have to be focused around hate.

When I say things like "build on the positive aspects", in my opinion, I think we as a culture focus primarily on all of the negative aspects of problems trying to remove all of those elements instead of acknowledging that there will always be negatives to every issue and that it's far better to focus on boosting up the positive side. In all honesty, I think it's RIDICULOUSLY difficult to try to work through issues in a positive manner, because it's so much easier to reinforce negative attributes than boost positives ideas.

 

To use Audrey's post as an example, it's great seeing more women involved in tech related job fields. It goes to show that a once completely dominated male field is recognizing that some women are equally interested and talented in that field and we should encourage more women, that if they are interested, there is nothing stopping them from pursuing that field of work.

But, then she continues to go on and include the sarcastic remarks that infiltrate this topic. "oh thanks for letting us work by the way, that's real cute of you."

It's this constant drudging up of negative shit that always throws these conversations back to that negative space where nothing ever gets accomplished because we continually and obsessively search out every piece of negativity we can find.

 

Man, even in a post talking about how there's a lot of positivity involved in activism, the example of the types of things people aren't saying is picked out as "proof" that the community is too riddled with negativity.

 

It's not that, it's the fact that you even needed to include the second half of your post. You could have posted this and maybe linked an article or something highlighting what things are being done to encourage future generations of women to do the same.

Instead, you felt compelled to continue on with this, which is exactly what I'm railing against.

You went from praising women for breaking into a field where they didn't have much traction in, to the legality of husbands raping wives and upskirt photos?

Do you not see how that mentality is damaging to people coming together to solve problems?

 

Dude, you are reading my posts so obtusely and cherry-picking even passing references to bad things that happened in the past completely out of context and interpreting even my pointing out the very progress and positivity you were complaining was so lacking as "sarcastic" that it's no wonder all you see is negativity.

 

It's difficult for me to answer this question because your premise doesn't make any sense to me. You say, "focused around hate"; is that how you perceive marginalized communities? That they just deliberately teach their children to hate on [men, whites, straight people, etc.] because they experienced discrimination when they were kids? If you see - for example - BLM protesters as hating because that's what they were taught, then we've got a lot farther to go to come to a common starting point because I see BLM protesters are being angry at the injustices they face. Same with Feminists, gay-rights activists, and so on.

This is a common argument lots of whites/men/etc make. And my response to this is: Who gets to decide which issues are intractable and which ones aren't? In your opinion, which negatives are intractable and should be simply tolerated, and what positive things should be boosted? And if someone from a marginalized group disagrees with your assessment, will you hear them out and listen or will you simply dismiss them?

 

I definitely do agree that black Americans still have many legit gripes. It's the topics that tend to get an unwarranted amount of media attention (not referring to BLM) that I'm uneasy about, but regarding the bold, what injustices?

 

Yep, same argument all those blacks/women/etc make. Are you just passively trying to troll me or do you really not hear some of the things that come out of your mouth?
Let's pretend you didn't say that and circle back to the first part of your post.

Yes, this is pretty spot on to what I'm asking. Are the older generation of minority groups holding onto their belief system of their younger years and passing that along to future generations or are they passing along a revised version of those beliefs based on the progress that has been made? As pointed our by Audrey there are groups of women trying to cultivate more women in the tech sector, are there the same voices being heard in other communities highlighting the positive changes that have been made, or is the conversation still primarily focused around the negative aspects or problems still unsolved?

I don't see the BLM protesters as hating because that's what they were taught, I see them responding to a few specific instances where different police forces stepped way out of bounds and they decided they were fed up with how they felt they were being treated by police as a whole and wanted to force change. What I disagree with their movement and others like them, they completely exclude entire groups of people who may have the same leanings, that there needs to be a complete overhaul of the police force in the US, and instead become incredibly intolerant to anything that doesn't fit into their specific desires. I don't need to look any further than their "What We Believe" section of their website to realize they have little interest in actually making any realistic progress on race relations. It reads very similar to the Black Power movement of the 60's and 70's, just with updated language and slogans.

I see feminists, gay-rights activists, and so on, taking the exact same stance, but just tailoring the message towards their specific desires.

Perhaps it's just ignorant optimism that people will one day stop being stuck in the warring tribe mentality.

Onto the second part.

This I don't have an easy answer for. I don/'t think anointing representatives from each culture to hammer out their differences in some global summit is the way to go.

I think things should be focused upon when a group of people are being denied something another group has strictly because of their beliefs. Gay marriage is a good example of this.
I think things like trying to force a $15 minimum wage are things we should definitely consider, but are more of a societal issue than a systematic denial of one group over another.
I think things like protests over appropriate Halloween costumes should be largely ignored.

Obviously these are very limited examples, as there are hundreds of issues that come up all the time, but I hope you can see the scaling severity of each one and put other issues that fall into a similar category into a similar position as far as order of importance.

 

So, we are almost a month removed from the Paris attack and two weeks removed from the San Bernadino attack. It seems like the shelf life on these events is 7 days. It also seems like the first jump to conclusion by the American legacy media and many "enlightened" individuals is to point towards "white terror," the 2nd Amendment and/or "work place vioelnce." It also seems that the legacy media and the "enlightened public" go to great lengths to view Islam as the religion of peace when it continues to prove otherwise, it's texts prove it to be otherwise:

So my question is: How much longer do we keep up the charade? How much longer do we continue to let people in carte blanche from predominantly Islamic countries where they murder the non-believers? We are a country of religious tolerance but when do we say no to religious intolerance? Is Trump wrong to put a moratorium on immigration for a period of time? He isn't the first to do so.

When things go bad here we dust ourselves off and fix it for ourselves. When do we tell these people to do the same and fix their own problems?

 

Here is what I am seeing all over.

Minority group: we have a problem!
Majority group: oh. We understand, and we want to help. Have you tried doing this?
Minority group: fuck you, asshole!
Majority group: we were just trying to help!

Here is where both sides are messing up. The majority group automatically suggests things the minority can do to "fix" themselves. Rarely do these suggestions involve any changes to the majority group, or reflect the possibility that the majority could in some way be responsible for the plight of the minority. Their suggestions come from a place of wanting to help and genuinely wanting to discuss, but they don't realize what they are saying has the implicit value of "YOU can fix this all by yourself," which is a view the minority group finds both wrong and offensive.

The minority group doesn't explain this to the majority. Rather, they jump right to "fuck you!" Now, granted, a lot in the majority don't want to hear how their race/gender as a whole might be oppressing another group because THEY PERSONALLY don't do that. They feel like they're getting blamed for the sins of their group, so the few who do try to explain shit get shouted down until all the minority can do is scream fuck you. Then you just have two entrenched in their belief sides screaming "fuck you" at each other while ignoring any potential discussion or argument (see: literally every interaction Parker had in this thread).

What is the solution? Fuck if I know, change all human beings psychologically so they don't automatically get defensive when discussing race?

 

I think on the face of it, this statement is true.

People absolutely use religion as an excuse to commit atrocities and generally act like dicks.

However, I feel it is just that: an excuse. If religion was removed from the equation, they would just sub in something else and the outcome would be the exact same. The same people would be pulling the same dick moves and just hide behind a different bullshit justification.

I mean EVERY major religion has been exploited this way (I kind of feel that is one the main purposes of religion to begin with, it's used to exploit) regardless of its fundamental principals.

Unfortunately, in the words of Ron White, you can't fix stupid.

 

Oh boy.

Teacher asks 13-year-old Muslim student if she has a bomb; Principal apologizes to family

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/1...-student-if-has-bomb-principal-apologizes-to/

What I wonder is how and why did the media get a hold of this story?

 

The problem is, Islam's crazies are FAR more crazy than other religious crazies, and there's countless amounts of them. Every religion has blind spots, but when I read the newsI don't hear about Christians poison-gassing girl's schools, issuing standing kill orders on authors who writes articulate fantasy novels about a plane crash or beating their wives with lengths of steel cable for leaving the house without permission. Yes, I realize the "extremists" or "fundamentalists" are the ones who do this, and only take up about 15% of Islam, but its 15% of 1.5 billion.

And that's why the only thing that perhaps scarese me more than climate change is Pakistan: a country filled with nukes and kooks. A country with a religion that believes that Earth is not important, that they are in an eternal cosmic battle of omnipotent beings and this life-- the only life we get-- is a worthless speed bump. And these extremists want two things first: turn Washington into a debris field, and drive every single Jew alive into the sea. And they don't compromise, ever.

 

On to some happier news, the most worthless campus turds to demand attention yet:

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7075

So yes, they are pissed the Delta girls selling candy canes for children's cancer research was stealing their thunder. Cancer charity is a "micro aggression". We'll hear no defence of these fucks.

Are. You. Reading. This:

 

Don't you get how stupid and illogical this argument sounds? What good does highlighting the positive changes do if you're going to ignore the problems still unsolved? That's like trying to build a house and being told to stop partway through because the builders should be highlighting the great foundation they poured instead of concentrating on building the rest of the house.

Who's being excluded? I don't know about BLM movements in other parts of the country but people of all races have been welcome to support BLM Minneapolis; when they were protesting the MPD a couple of weeks ago there were plenty of white people protesting with them.

Now, what BLM and other movements aren't going to put up with is members of privileged groups wanting to jump in and define the movement's agenda for them. Those people are rightfully excluded because they're disruptive if not downright subversive.

 

Remember that story about the Dothan, AL police planting drugs and guns on black men? I hadn't heard any more about it and went looking for news.

Apparently it was a hoax.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/12/03/busted-splcs-dothan-police-drug-planting-claim-is-a-hoax/

 

Okay, here we go. Here's the post from one of the KAnsas U "leaders" (group that tried to stop a children's cancer charity):


And, in fact, here's the "sit-in". Every single one of them typing away on their $500 devices (which were made in sweat shop conditions) as they show "diversity" and "solidarity" with two black people by basically rudely blocking a hallway.



We are done here.

 

What the damn hell? College student with axe gets shot and killed by cops.
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/12/unt-police-fatally-shoot-ax-wielding-man.html